I think I actually believe him when he says its soul-sucking. He’s obviously missing a lot of perspective on what he calls ‘real jobs’, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t an emotional toll from what amounts to being a clown whose paycheck is derived from the whims of literally faceless masses
If my body wasn’t so busted I would prefer general labor. Over almost any desk job. I hate it. I don’t have a chat section. At least with general labor i felt like i actually did something of worth at the end of the day.
All jobs suck but if it paid better I would never have quit being a grocery store cleaner.
I honestly miss being a dish washer. Work at your own pace (within reason), get to take breaks whenever so long as shit isn’t piled up, and no dealing with customers.
Unfortunately I’m just too tall to do it without eating NSAIDS like Skittles. Most of the sinks were barely dick height for me.
Man, I say this all the time. If dishwashing paid a living wage I’d go back to it in a heartbeat. I am short, though.
I used to make insulation and now I look after linux servers. I don’t agree with lol
Same. I miss being a barista making handcrafted drinks, but the pay was shit, honestly.
The funnest job I’ve ever had was delivering pizzas.
“look the guy who spends all day every day saying things said a cringe thing once! stop listening to him about israel and billionaires!”
there’s a huge hasan smear campaign by corpo “democrats” right now, because obviously he’s the real danger for some reason and not the cheeto rapist in power.
when people are calling democrats controlled opposition, this is what they mean.
remember hasan’s dog? don’t think about the entrenched democrats actively enabling the fascist takeover. don’t think about their support for funding israel’s genocide of gaza. what if his dog possibly potentially had a shock collar because the way it moved once! keep hasan on the defensive so he isn’t talking about israel or billionaires!
etc.
i definitely am not the biggest hasan fan, but i find myself defending him regularly from absolute bullshit.
if there’s was ever a time to be picky about hasan’s choice of emotionally biased statements on non-issues, this is really not it.
I don’t love or hate him, but I keep up with what he has to say because he is undeniably the largest online voice representing the younger left-leaning voter base.
I can’t agree with many of his more agitating statements, but I’d rather have him reaching young people who feel disenfranchised by politics than the next manosphere crypto gambling tycoon. He’s more of a step in the right direction than liberal influencers.
Stuff like this is why leftists have a (mainstream) reputation of infighting and semantic policing instead of actual praxis.
Same - I feel like I’m going insane reading all this obvious bullshit. It’s good to know there’s other sane people in this shitpost thread.
when people are calling democrats controlled opposition, this is what they mean.
Well, I kind of mean it as a joke, since they are not even opposition. You have to oppose to be opposition.
Also, sometimes a shock collar is actually necessary. Not all animals respond to positive reinforcement.
While I’ve never used the shock feature on one (we just have it for the vibration setting for our deaf dog to get her attention), the people I know who have tried literally everything else first, and it only took one or two low level zaps to correct the behavior.
https://youtu.be/GIIQQqnPVuw?t=3m49s He said democrats have to earn your vote, so the harm reduction argument isn’t valid. The democrats didn’t earn my vote so I didn’t vote. Now Trump killed 2 people, started a war, cut all solar programs, ruined our trade negotiations, destroyed the fda, destroyed usaid, destroyed the department of education, pulled out of the climate accord, destroyed research for being “woke,” but I mean hey the democrats didn’t earn my vote so I was fully justified not voting I think.
Did you go out and vote for any other candidates (local, senators, congressmen, school board?) or did you just skip voting all together?
Because if you did skip voting all together then yes it is 100% your own fault. Because I’m sure as shit he didn’t say “don’t vote”, he just said Democrats need to earn your vote. You’re the fuck weed who decided not to.
I’m a fucking Bernie bro and I was not on board with Hillary I was not on board with Kamala, but I sure as fuck went out and voted for both of them because I knew what the hell was coming.
This damage was self-inflicted. And every person who puts up their hand says, “not me I didn’t do this, I stayed home and didn’t vote cause both candidates sucked” is part of the problem and not any part of the solution. You don’t like the candidates? Then show up to the primaries and caucuses, get signs and put them in your lawn and support the candidates you want. Don’t just sit at home and post on Facebook how “everything sucks and it’s not my fault”.
I am saying I sucked it up and voted for kamala despite hassan explicity saying it was okay to not vote for the lesser of 2 evils “especially this time.” If there was ever a time in history to vote for the lesser of 2 evils, this was it. Hassan either pretends to or actually doesn’t realize how much America got shafted by trump, and how much WORSE trump would be for hamas.
The democrats didn’t earn my vote so I didn’t vote.
This was literally your previous statement. So you can see how what you are saying is confusing.
If there’s nothing wrong with it then he should stand on business and admit it rather than lie about it.
I agree with everything you’re saying buuuuuuuuuuut also
the dude lives in a mansion in LA (which his excuse for was that he has a large family, someone better tell all the large families in my single-family suburban neighborhood that they should upsize ASAP) and plays down the importance of mutual aid. He’s a grifter and the left should be demanding better.
MeansTV is great and less braindead-Twitch-stream-formatted
Yeah this is ridiculous criticism. If he was poor and arguing for socialism he would be called jealous. Now he’s rich and arguing for socialism and your criticism is…what exactly? That he takes care of his family? Seems like ad hominem attacks to avoid having to engage with what he’s saying.
If he was poor and arguing for socialism he would be called jealous.
Not by me.
Now he’s rich and arguing for socialism and your criticism is…what exactly?
That he’s rich. And a grifter, which I already said.
And a grifter, which I already said.
Cool unsubstantiated opinion.
He’s a “”“socialist”“” living in a mansion in LA.
We may have different definitions of “substantiated”.
Cool now look up the definition of a “grift” and explain how it applies.
Yeah if you want to be pedantic he may not strictly fit the dictionary definition:
Someone who grifts is a thief, but of a particular sort: they illegally obtain money or property by means of cleverness or deceit, and do not usually resort to physical force or violence. A grifter might be a pickpocket, a crooked gambler, a scammer, or a con artist.
But generally language used in regular conversation, like this, is colloquial, not formal. And he firmly fits the colloquial use of the term, as described by urbandictionary:
A money-making operation that is either dishonest and takes advantage of people, or is simply a cause of annoyance or scorn to those who pay. Typically, a grift is a source of easy money to whoever runs it.
He is dishonest by pretending to align with socialist ideals while hoarding money, to the extent of buying oversized property in what is probably the 3rd or 4th most infamously-expensive place in the country. He could’ve donated that money to help the people he claims he wants to see helped.
He takes advantage of people by selling them the false image of him as a progressive / socialist, when in fact he only is to the extent that it benefits him.
It is a source of easy money to him.
He’s what you call a “champagne socialist”. I have no respect for such people and don’t think anyone else should either.
Besides that, there’s no healthy reason for you to be this invested in defending a streamer. Politics should not be a cult of personality if you actually want to achieve anything.
Taking care of my family by having a multi million dollar mansion fancy clothes a sports car and a Rolex, amen brother. I don’t expect someone to live like a pauper but wtf give 2 million to red cross and you’ve literally saved like 1000 peoples lives.
steamers when their job is to play video games for a few hours and make 1000s of dollars 😭
I’d agree with you in general, but this streamer spends 8+ hours a day talking about political news - not exactly “play video games for a few hours”).
So, worse?
I mean the money sounds great, but I’m also sure I would hate it after the first three times
i challenge you to suffer his stupid fucking chat for a day… a lot of people would prefer back breaking labor.
No
I do think the streamer may have a point, but only in a bullshit jobs way. A job that actually improves the world has a sense of satisfaction that a job that’s either harmful or pointless lacks, and the latter does some damage to the psyche
That said, he could you know, change careers
He’s right, normal jobs don’t completely take over your life or get you stalkers and death threats or make it impossible to exist in public without being harrassed. Success as a streamer is like any other kind of fame in that it results in a bunch of extra bullshit above and beyond the actual work that is uniquely psychologically exhausting.
Nah he’s right. I’m in a friend circle that includes a lot of content creators and the burnout is so palpable, they can’t even take real holidays because if they do the algorithm fucks them over. Then the guy in the group who’s effectively a Janitor is the happiest and well adjusted and he loves his job.
I’ve actually attempted live streaming. It totally sucks the joy out of sitting in front of a computer and zoning out playing your game. You start to go “Oh no I can’t play this game cuz I’m playing it on stream.”
I wasn’t majorly successful but I still made affiliate and had some regular watchers. The pressure to create content and be entertaining and stay engaged was too much for me and continue doing it all for the paltry sums that I was getting.
I could also feel the pressure to become someone I’m not to reach more people. Something I refused to do. In the end though I made enough money streaming to make up for all the equipment I bought for it. I ran out of real time to stream when I got a new job that demanded more time from me. I am making so much more money so much faster by just clocking in and out every day and i feel like I’m building my skills in the field I’m in instead of making me hate my entertainment options.
for me, streaming is a way for me to share my activity with my friends and have fun. i’ve given my friends many ways to interact with (bully) me on-stream, and it’s all good fun. if my social battery ever drains, i stop streaming for a few days.
i got my affiliate, and am currently not fussed about getting that partner. if i ever get popular, sure, that would be very cool, but honestly, i’m happy with sharing the joy with my friends.
One guy I still really like to watch hit the perfect stride. He has a real job now, but he occasionally streams based on when he feels like, and has a pretty dedicated, very small, group of followers he feels safe around. He’s fine with ending stream early if there’s no real vibe.
He used to be much bigger, so he has the experience; he’s just fine with downsizing a bit, playing variety games, etc.
I get that but like doing the same shit with excel and no audience instead also fucking sucks lol
True but when you have a moment where you just need to sit lean back, stretch, and say “argh I fucking hate excel”, you don’t have an audience arguing that you should love it. Or maybe you do have an audience but it’s colleagues who have similar experience and can commiserate or give advice about the latest annoyance if they know a trick.
well imagine theres like 15 people back seat driving your spreadsheets
Given how much I disagree with myself I effectively have that for everything. When I say everything I mean everything, can’t even jack off to porn without some stupid gremlin side of my psyche telling me 1/10 acting is shit not enough foreplay.
Aside from the streamdeck, which tbh i coulda memorized some keyboard commands instead, I can justify the other streaming related buys like the webcam and fancy mic with the boom arm and pop filter as being useful if a bit extra for other shit.
I get dogwater viewers but I just shoot the shit and play stuff I was going to play anyhow so its a few extra bucks to play with some buddies on the proverbial couch heckling or rooting for me as the case may be.
Do you feel free to throw up a stream when you game how you really want now a days or have you retired entirely?
I haven’t booted up OBS in a few months now. It would be too much work for me to do. Make my hair look nice, make sure my lighting setup is just right, clean my room, set up my camera angle and then make sure that everything on stream is appropriate. Not copyrighted and all that stuff.
I think about it sometimes, but ultimately I might end up just doing it for fun on a self-hosted stream or something like that if I ever have time. I’ve been on a whole own my own digital footprint kick lately.
about the nice looking stuff, have you considered vtubing or even just pngtubing? that should take a bunch of pressure off having to look nice for the stream. they do take some initial setup (getting the vtuber model, setting up the vtubing software), but afterwards when you want to stream, you can just start up the software and you’re ready to go.
about copyrighted material, it’s mostly a matter of finding a playlist from specific stream-friendly labels, such as NoCopyrightSounds and Chillhop Music. they may require attribution in the form of a channel panel underneath your stream, but afterwards you’re free to stream and monetize.
I think there is a lot to be said for the emotional load someone like Hasan deals with. We are talking thousands of death threats and vitriol, swatting, psyops, debate bros etc etc. The soul sucking is mental and different, not going to assume this was him saying he has it harder like this out of context meme is trying to portray.
Its very much the same as standup comedy. Its 100% you.
If people dont watch its because YOU arent entertaining enough, YOU arent likeable enough, YOU arent putting in enough effort and energy, YOU dont bring anything new to the table, YOU dont take enough risks… Theres no team, theres no band, theres no coworkers, its all on you. Thats a lot to hang your entire livelihood on.
I could only do streaming or a YT if I had “never work again” money because without the pressure I probably could be fun and entertaining the whole time.
The fuck he does. He’s a literal multimillionaire who grifts for a living from the comfort of his own home. You think someone like him goes on Twitter or Reddit and reads what people say about him? He barely interacts with the public outside of his streams, he has one of the most stress free jobs in the world. Emotional load my ass, the only pressure he has is to keep up his persona and to grow his audience which is a very privileged position to be in.
How does Hasan grift?
Genuinely what is wrong with you that you think getting constant death threats and harassment is “stress free”?
He’s a professional provocateur. He knows what he’s doing, and he voluntarily chooses to keep doing it anyway. You’re making it sound like he doesn’t have always have the option to retreat to a private life at any time if he chooses to.
So why does it being voluntary mean the job can’t be soul sucking. I could quit my job and live off benefits for the rest of my life if I wanted to, so can I not complain about my job?
In his case, he could quit his job and work a normal, more low profile job or he could just straight up retire entirely since he has the money do so. He’s not in a position where he’s forced to do anything. He’s not some victim in poor victim who’s worthy of unconditional empathy. He’s not living paycheck to paycheck, he doesn’t do steaming because he has to, he doesn’t have to pay attention to what people say online, and he doesn’t have to keep streaming. He’s consciously choosing to do it, this is something that he clearly enjoys.
You still haven’t actually answered the question. You just keep repeating that he doesn’t have to do it if he doesn’t want to. But he does want to and he does do it, he’ll he probably enjoys it on the whole, but why does that mean the job can’t be draining and stressful?
Tell me you don’t watch him without telling me you don’t watch him.
I have a hard time believing that this guy is living some hellish, extremely stressful life because he voluntarily chose to make a career out of being a professional provocateur from the comfort of his own home.
You try receiving thousands of death threats and hate messages every single day and try not to let it get to you. It’s not that cut and dry.
But again, he does this of his own choosing. If it was bad as you say it is then there’s nothing stopping him from retiring or switching to normal job. He chooses to do this anyway because the money is good and he probably enjoys it. We also have to consider that he’s professional ragebaiter, he knows what he’s doing and people like him know how to avoid and tune out criticism and harassment.
Keep in mind, I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, I’m just saying that he’s not shouldering the weight of the world from being a professional political steamer like people here are making out to be.
He has said many times that the main thing driving him is wanting a better America for the working class, that’s all he cares about. He has very strong morals and principles and will always speak up for what he believes is right, that is why I genuinely enjoy his content. I can relate a lot to that. I think people that criticize him generally look at his content through a much more cynical lens than is the reality of the messages he is delivering.
I don’t think he has much of an emotional load because he’s a sociopath. His entire thing is a complete grift…and boy does it sell… And apparently you’re buying!
I wouldn’t worry too much about his feelings or lack thereof, He seems to find great comfort in his material wealth and assets.
I don’t think he’s a grifter. He stopped running ads as soon as his contract with Twitch was over, doesn’t do sponsorships, doesn’t sell nutritional supplements, lets “fan channels” repost his content, personally donates to candidates and causes, runs donation streams, etc. I guess he does sell merch, made by union shops. I’m pretty sure most his income comes from subscribers. I think he could make much more money doing the things listed above if he wanted to. I don’t particularly like his personality, and he does seem to be fairly consumeristic and vain, but I don’t think he’s a grifter.
It’s no use, my friend. There’s like a dozen shit-posters here who aren’t interested in doing anything except doing drive-by disinfo dumps on Hasan so that anyone not in-the-know in the thread genuinely asking “who is Hasan” gets to poison the well on digging any further…
Like someone says “who is this?” and then someone replying “oh that guy? He likes Hitler” and then most people will go “Oh ok I don’t need to look up anything else on this Bernie Sanders guy I guess then since that person who seems to be knowledgeable said he likes Hitler…”
It’s so odd to me how this guy has some of the most diehard fans on the internet. Like Hasan is literal multimillionaire streamer who doesn’t give two shits about you, why do you defend him so hard? You’re not even willing to consider the possibility that some of the criticism against him might be valid, you’re just dismissing it all as disinfo, and that’s absolutely wild to me.
I’m not even really a diehard fan. I don’t subscribe to his Twitch. Never paid him any money. Never have attempted to chat with him or commented on any of his videos… I will say - just based off his publicly verifiable actions, he seems to “give a shit” about the wellbeing of non-millionaires way more than CNN and MSNBC anchors do. Certainly a shitload more than my state’s senators do. Certainly more than the president does of any Americans… or Hell… any of his supporters… shit… or the president does probably of any of the president’s own family.
And in this day, I figure if I’m gonna get news from a handful of sources, I’d much rather get it from folks whose actions have demonstrated an objectively more favorable view of policies that align to my interests moreso than 90% of the news media and politicians out there.
What seems odd to me is that - because I can point to media anyone can watch for and verify for themselves all while you and several others continue to mischaracterize this guy as an animal abuser, or an anti-Semite, and other absurd easily debunked claims - somehow we are supposed to pretend that simply pointing that out makes people “die-hard fans?”
Hasan Piker isn’t some saint, but he seems to use at least some sizeable portion of his wealth to give voices to people who are not otherwise given a large platform… or those running for office who - as far as you can reasonably believe - would attempt to improve the material conditions of the overwhelming majority of NON-rich people…
Yet all you want to focus on is debunked dog shock memes mostly peddled by fans of far more problematic streamers as if they are true, or on the dude’s wealth that he acquires mostly through just streaming… not hocking bullshit… not shitty supplements, or by peddling misinformation or crypto / gambling schemes, or shitty snack foods and hyper-caffeinated drinks.
I DID consider the possibility once that the guy shocked his dog… but I’ve seen enough videos of him absolutely loving the shit out of her and walking with her and him holding her in his lap and calling friends he asked to babysit her when he was out of town just to check in on her to know that he’s not a dog abuser.
As far as I have seen, Hasan never has raised a hand at Kaya, and if he did, you would see her wince when he reached for her any one of the thousands of times he’s put his hands toward her.
I’ve seen abused dogs. That dog is not one of them. She is treated like royalty.
In summary - there seems to be a lot of bullshit out there about this guy. If you’ve got something real to share that you think is truly convincing that this guy is a real piece of shit - other than fake dog shock outrage memes, the “America deserved 9-11” clip, or the “ah I see you are rich, but if you were truly of the left, you would be poor!” critique that one webcomic makes fun of with the “we should improve society somewhat” well goblin gag, please share.
Otherwise, I think I’ve wasted way too much of my free time attempting to rebut all of the seemingly bad faith claims made by those who refuse to either engage in the video evidence provided, or have yet to reply back with any citable video or other sort of proof to further back up any of the pretty dubious claims made regarding how supposedly terrible this guy Hasan Piker is.
I’m not even really a diehard fan.
You wouldn’t write this novel sized comment if this was the case lol
he seems to “give a shit” about the wellbeing of non-millionaires way more than CNN and MSNBC anchors do. Certainly a shitload more than my state’s senators do. Certainly more than the president does of any Americans
How does this in any way disprove my point that he doesn’t give a shit about what people say about hime online both positive and negative?
I’d much rather get it from folks whose actions have demonstrated an objectively more favorable view of policies that align to my interests moreso than 90% of the news media and politicians out there.
This is horrible lol. Credibility of news should depend on their accuracy and objectivity, not how much they align with your preexisting news. What you’re describing here is just confirmation bias.
because I can point to media anyone can watch for and verify for themselves all while you and several others continue to mischaracterize this guy as an animal abuser, or an anti-Semite, and other absurd easily debunked claims
What in the fuck are you even talking about? What does this have to do with what I said? You choose to make up criticisms that neither I nor anybody else here made, and then wrote paragraphs upon paragraphs “debunking” them. The only thing you proved here is that you’re cartoonish caricature of the type of person I’m criticizing.
Why does him being a “multi millionaire” mean I have to hate him? In today’s world that’s just owning a successful small business. Not the filthy rich Scrooge McDuck kinda shit you’re implying it is.
I was just making the point that Hasan is in it for himself. This is clearly his business and he’s raking in the cash because of it. He does not care about how people online view him or what criticisms people have of him. That’s why I find it weird that he has all these ride or die stans who are willing to wear their shining armor and go to great lengths to defend him on online forums against any and all criticism, no matter how valid.
Nah I think you’re just either arguing for the sake of having an argument or you’re one of those people that have a hate boner for the guy.
As far as political streamers with fanbases under 30, he’s one of the few alternatives to the manosphere types and groypers. People can have a kneejerk reaction to defend someone those groups routinely target.
Is this not just the the lesser of two evils argument? It isn’t as convincing to me when it’s about political streamers that you voluntarily choose to consume in your free time vs consequential national elections with candidates who you had little influence in choosing.
There’s not a lesser of two evils argument there, so it makes sense it’d be unconvincing.
This is more of a ‘judge him by his enemies’ type thing.
You’re not willing to understand confirmation bias lol.
Why shouldn’t we strive towards the truth?
That’s actually the point I’m trying to make. The person I’m replying to is trying to dismiss ALL criticisms against Hasan as disinformation, which I think is absolutely ridiculous as it’s based in the notion that no valid criticisms can exist against this guy.
You’re looking for reasons as to why he isn’t while ignoring all the reasons that he is. And it’s not his merch, it’s all the shit that is swept for him. It’s all right there in plain sight.
He’s 100% a grifter, it’s baffling how anyone can deny this. Hasan preaches against capitalism, but he literally runs a for profit clothing brand where he sells clothes at ridiculously high prices. He preaches against consummerism, but he is notorious for bragging about he spends thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of dollars, on designer brand outfits and jewelry. In fact that’s all he ever wears on any of his streams. He preaches against wealth hoarding, but again, he’s a multimillionaire who used money he earned from ads, sales, and hard earned dollars from fans to buy a $200k sports car and $3 million mansion in Hollywood. Like what are we even talking about? This guy is grifter through and through, just because he doesn’t grift in the same way as Alex Jones, that doesn’t mean that he isn’t one.
Hasan preaches against capitalism, but he literally runs a for profit clothing brand where he sells clothes at ridiculously high prices.
“How come you, a communist own an iPhone. Checkmate communists”
Also in the present race to the bottom if you have standards that you expect your comparatively small run of clothing to meet (such as that the clothing is made by union laborers in decent working conditions) compared to say whatever clothing is being sold in big box stores, you have to expect that it will cost more.
Now if it came out that his merch was made in a sweatshop in Bangladesh and of lousy quality that would be a completely different story
he is notorious for bragging about he spends thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of dollars, on designer brand outfits and jewelry
Buying better quality stuff can improve one’s quality of life compared to whatever’s cheapest in the constant race to the bottom that this world is going through. If you can afford to buy something nice for yourself that you like, why not?
He preaches against wealth hoarding, but again, he’s a multimillionaire who used money he earned from ads, sales, and hard earned dollars from fans to buy a $200k sports car and $3 million mansion in Hollywood.
Soooo he’s hoarding his wealth? Or he’s spending it all and flashing it around? Which is it? Also $3 million for property in Hollywood only buys you a smallish house by the rest of the country’s standards. Seriously.
Like, clearly your problem is the classic “why do you a communist own an iPhone” but at the scale of a relatively wealthy person. People can have different opinions but I don’t think it’s unfair for someone who was able to get themselves into a position where they have some wealth to spend and enjoy that wealth, especially one who actively campaigns and lobbies in the interest of the working class and against their own interests.
The difference between a millionaire and a billionaire is about a billion dollars. There’s about 24 million millionaires in the US, there’s only about 3,000 billionaires in the entire world. There’s a world of difference between being wealthy and literally having wealth that exceeds that of entire countries
“How come you, a communist own an iPhone. Checkmate communists”
This is such a grossly disingenuous talking point by his stans because it exists solely to dismiss criticism against Hasan, even if it contradicts your own principles.
I am not one of those people who thinks that he’s a hypocrite for not living in abject poverty. It’s completely reasonable anybody, including socialists, to seek a comfortable life in a capitalist society. However, there is a very big difference between participating in society and living in luxury. The former is something you have to do, but the latter is a conscious and unnecessary choice. Which again, would’ve been fine if he was honest with his audience… but he isn’t.
If you can’t see the difference between a socialist who buys nothing but $7000 suits and $200,000 sports cars and someone who has an iPhone and Rav4, then that’s on you. My point stands.
you have to expect that it will cost more.
You’re falling for the grift, this is a part of his marketing. His gimmick is that the clothes are union made domestically, which he uses to justify the ridiculously high prices. However, that is NOT the reason why the prices are as high as they are. He constantly runs a lot promotions and sales events, which means that he’s not selling his merch at the minimum necessary to keep the operation going in order to give his customers the best deal, but he’s selling his products at a very juicy profit.
Buying better quality stuff can improve one’s quality of life compared to whatever’s cheapest in the constant race to the bottom that this world is going through.
You fundamentally misunderstand the point I’m making. The price isn’t the point, the reasons behind why the prices are so high is. Keep in mind, there are a lot of other clothing companies that use only union labor and manufacture domestically like AllAmericanClothing.com, but their prices are damn near half of what Hasan is selling his at.
Soooo he’s hoarding his wealth? Or he’s spending it all and flashing it around? Which is it? Also $3 million for property in Hollywood only buys you a smallish house by the rest of the country’s standards.
What point are you even trying to make? They’re one and the same. He’s raking money left and right and he’s using that money to indulge himself on a life of luxury at the expense of his audience.
Like, clearly your problem is the classic “why do you a communist own an iPhone” but at the scale of a relatively wealthy person.
But the reason why I called this disingenuous is because it is very reductionist. This entire talking point exists to intentionally kill the nuance and thus render the criticism as something silly. It’s like someone criticizing a preachy vegan who eats meat every time they go out, and then having another person come to their defense by saying something like “why are criticizing them? Are vegans not allowed to eat?”. Like clearly that’s not the point being made, you’re being obtuse on purpose.
The difference between a millionaire and a billionaire is about a billion dollars. There’s about 24 million millionaires in the US, there’s only about 3,000 billionaires in the entire world. There’s a world of difference between being wealthy and literally having wealth that exceeds that of entire countries
Again, you’re missing the point. The scale doesn’t matter, I’m criticizing the behavior. There’s a clear world of difference between a pair of grandparents owning a home for 50 years and that is now valued at over a million dollars, and someone like Hasan who’s living a live of wealth and luxury. If Hasan just lived a comfortable life and used his wealth in accordance to the principles he preaches then nobody would have an issue, but he doesn’t and thus he’s being criticized for it. It’s that simple.
Tell me you don’t watch him without telling me you don’t watch him.
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
Thats my motto
Hey now, those are our material wealth and assets. However, my share apperaently getting lost in the mail along with my Soros protest check 😕
Da = Russian for yes
srael = the modern Nazis you like
Did I interpret that right?
That’s probably just an original nickname meant to sound angelic. Ezrael isn’t just someone who just nuked Israel and showed how EZ pwning them is. No matter what they said, you are an arse.
Hey thanks for stepping in for them and explaining doesn’t seem weird at all.
Ya so, my name has nothing to do with any of that silliness. I’ve had it for like 15 years online. But thanks for the amusing schizorant. I’m not into dehumanizing anyone, but you far rad leftists seem to be happy doing that, the same evil that nazi’s embody you’re happy to exercise yourself. Have fun with that.
Nazis were humans. But that was cute to call my concise comment a schizorant then hit me with that.
Must be crowded in that skull.
Thats not true
You are incorrect
You can’t even spell that
Actually, if you want a real answer, that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
So, wrong.
What do you mean?
If someone explains something you disagree with, you have to actually explain why you think they’re wrong. Conversely, if you just say ‘nuh uh’, then ‘nuh uh’ is enough to prove you completely wrong.
I didn’t disagree with anything
That
Wrong
Brilliant deduction, Holmes
Thanks babe 😘
I feel he’s comparing streaming to white collar jobs, not blue collar jobs. I often refer to my white collar job as my first “real job” because it was the first job I got involving my degree. Prior to that my blue collar jobs where I worked as a “janitor” or in a deli were just part time work to get some spending money.
Ironically, or perhaps not depending on your perspective, having every statement you make over analyzed because your profession is just constantly making statements live can certainly be soul sucking. I think this post is evidence of that. You have to constantly make sure you don’t say things that can get clipped in a way that will make you look bad.
Judging by his other statements, I find it hard to believe he’s saying that hard manual labor is easy work that isn’t soul sucking.
Nah
Nah to which part?
The incorrect part
Which part do you think is incorrect though?
The part where you said the thing that was wrong
What does the need to create divisive discourse around a popular leftist streamer serve to obscure about how you actually feel about the world?
You know that the streamer is right. Just because other occupational hazards are worse does not mean theirs are invalid. And loads of streamers are barely scraping by.
Yeah, obviously there are worse jobs and steamers who love what they do, but I can’t think of a better way to ruin any enjoyment I had for gaming.
Mad respect for the ones who are on for 10 hours every day of the week for years straight, and somehow still manage to be healthy and have a family. I couldn’t do it.
Honestly it goes deeper than that. I’m part of a very small streamer community and the two biggest points of exhaustion are actually just community management and the platforms themselves.
You can be having an absolute blast playing games, bullshitting with chat, whatever else, and then ONE person can come in and ruin the entire vibe. The two big ones are people “um, ackshually"ing a joke you make or someone deciding to trauma dump into a 10+ person conversation to fish for compliments. The amount of times one of the streamers is vibing, making jokes, chat is blowing up and someone comes in like” I hate myself I want to die please compliment me and make me feel better while you’re live :'(" is insane. Just zero self awareness and you can’t just ignore someone writing what sounds like the first half of a suicide note so suddenly you flip from entertainer to therapist. For larger streamers this comes in the form of random groups of people deciding they don’t just hate you but actively want to sabotage you through stream sniping, harassment, doxxing, etc…
The platforms are just as bad. Having to constantly fear that any accident in a game gets you banned is just such a suffocating experience. This is worse in games with open mics where it’s your responsibility to police, mute, whatever else the random outbursts of hate speech and slurs. Heaven forbid you’re playing a game that suddenly surprises you with nudity or something else and you’re left wondering if you’re gonna get flagged by TOS because it arbitrarily wasn’t artistic enough. Lord have mercy on your soul if you stream something from Nintendo - - who seemingly just rolls a die once a month to decide which random community built around their games they want to Thanos snap out of existence.
Just for clarity, I couldn’t stack those bricks very well either.
The problem with the statement(which I have no idea if it’s true or someone just made this for rage bait) is that it’s making a ranked comparison saying streaming sucks more than regular jobs, so it antagonizes the working class as it jumps into a misery competition.
It’s divisive, when instead we should be uniting under the reality that standards of living are shit due to wealth inequality. The statement in the image instead just divides us more.
People are struggling, and hearing someone say “I have it worse than you” is not helping. We have to be demanding our governments and political parties for solutions that address wealth inequality which is causing lower living standards and causing the general discontent.
It ranks the mental load of streaming and chat and job security. It doesn’t mean streaming is the hardest job on the mental. Just worse than average.
As long as life is going you don’t have to scrape anything.
LoL the poor streamers barely scraping by from all the sitting at home doing nothing but yapping all day
Y’know if you’re so jealous of streamers there’s nothing stopping you from downloading an app on your phone and trying it out.
Every job and every career has aspects that suck, and different people excel at handling those different types of suck. At my work I support people who do industrial sanitation. Literally the stuff you’d see on the TV show Dirty Jobs, while I sit in my cushy home office working about 6 projects at a time keeping the servers and databases happy and secure. Just about every day I have a conversation with the folks I support where they say something about how they could never do my job, and I reply with the exact same sentiment.
You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about, it would be smart to stop talking and take the opportunity to learn
LoL won’t someone defend the streamers, you realize I’m making the same point that the post you are commenting under is making right
I’ll defend whoever’s actually right, fucking duh. What’s your point, that other people agree with you? Congrats on being popular and wrong
But also there are so many people trying to become streamers. You don’t automatically have the right to make it just because you try streaming. Only a small hand of people provide entertainment for most. I get the struggle but maybe if you’re not successful or don’t make a living wage while attempting full-time you should just go back to a normal job. Just saying.
Very easy to point to the Michael Jordan of streaming at his peak and say “This is actually very easy and so lucrative, why would anyone complain?” while ignoring the depths of ignominy endured by the dregs of the podcasting industry, a la Adam Friedland.
Has an isn’t right when referring to himself tho.
Has an is a multi millionaire. Anyone who thinks his profession is worse than a traditional working class job (including him) is fucking delusional.
He is speaking on mental load. Assuming a person in the spotlight of the public has a similar set of challenges compared to a regular worker is dismissive.
Doesn’t mean they are worse of. Just means that some things can be hard.
This man could walk away at any time and still be set for life. Hell, he was already rich before he even picked up streaming. And you compare that to a worker who is one injury away from his family starving?
Not only is the concept of a million dollar streamer having a worse mental load than your average working class schmo completely asinine, but that isn’t what the quote is saying in the context provided.
In the context provided (assuming its an accurate quote and context), Has an is asserting he has a worse mental load than your average working class Joe who works a traditional job for meager wages.
That is absolute bullshit. Its not delegitamizing or downplaying a millionaire streamer’s mental load to call that bullshit either. Its just fact.
He’s not saying it’s worse though.
Also being a millionaire is not like filthy rich, its like owning a house in a major city, or having a successful small business.
They can stop working in entertainment, it’s not like streamers are bound to a chair with a rope.
That’s not what this is about. This is about there being a psychological strain.
I can assure you that there is a lot more psychological and physical strain in monotonous physical work. A month in a factory made me appreciate my desk job in IT like nothing else in the world. Obviously burn out exists and destroys your motivation and ability to do things.
It’s different. You shouldn’t compare suffering.
If someone has their leg broken with bone sticking out and another person who fell and now has a broken skin on their hands I should assume they feel more or less the same and shouldn’t compare?
That’s not an apt comparison as we are comparing fundamentally different suffering/challenges.
So we shouldn’t compare some but should compare other types of suffering?
I mean there are far more challenging and demading types of work that don’t require physical labour. Streeming/being youtube personality is one of the least demanding and challenging work there is.
Boo hoo?
Yeah, they’re not forced to stay in frame and shocked with a shock collar if they move or anything.
Also, Hasan is not “barely scraping by”. He’s a multi millionaire who could end the “soul sucking” by turning off his money font, but he doesn’t want to. It’s a slog for small streamers absolutely, but let’s not pretend like Hasan has any right to call his own job “soul-sucking” when he could retire in comfort, nay, luxury for the rest of his life at any time he chooses.
Who?
Stop giving fuckheads attention. It’s the only way we can prevent further idiocracy. Attention focus matters.
Hell no
This went from mild take to existential crisis real fast 😭
