The most sensitive people on the internet are, without a doubt, the celeb gossipers. I have never come across any celeb gossip community that was not a dystopian echo chamber filled with the most brainless and miserable creatures.

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But again, he does this of his own choosing. If it was bad as you say it is then there’s nothing stopping him from retiring or switching to normal job. He chooses to do this anyway because the money is good and he probably enjoys it. We also have to consider that he’s professional ragebaiter, he knows what he’s doing and people like him know how to avoid and tune out criticism and harassment.

Keep in mind, I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, I’m just saying that he’s not shouldering the weight of the world from being a professional political steamer like people here are making out to be.

In his case, he could quit his job and work a normal, more low profile job or he could just straight up retire entirely since he has the money do so. He’s not in a position where he’s forced to do anything. He’s not some victim in poor victim who’s worthy of unconditional empathy. He’s not living paycheck to paycheck, he doesn’t do steaming because he has to, he doesn’t have to pay attention to what people say online, and he doesn’t have to keep streaming. He’s consciously choosing to do it, this is something that he clearly enjoys.

You’re just projecting. I had the most lukewarm take there is, which is that rich internet celebrities don’t care about what people say about them online. You’re over here putting on your knight armor defending him at every turn for no reason. Like come on

Wouldn’t it make more sense to judge him on his own merits rather than the merits of his perceived enemies?

Online personalities, like professional streamers, don’t actual reveal their real personalities and identities. They use personas that are carefully curated to grow and maintain their audience. These personas are the brand, that’s what they’re selling. Like sure, you need to be witty and charismatic to draw people in, but that could be said about any job in any field. The same could be said about people changing due to their job. A person’s job is a big part of their identity, and so it makes sense that streamers are influenced by their jobs like everybody else. I don’t see anything that’s uniquely stressful to being a professional streamer.

I have a hard time believing that this guy is living some hellish, extremely stressful life because he voluntarily chose to make a career out of being a professional provocateur from the comfort of his own home.

He’s a professional provocateur. He knows what he’s doing, and he voluntarily chooses to keep doing it anyway. You’re making it sound like he doesn’t have always have the option to retreat to a private life at any time if he chooses to.

That’s actually the point I’m trying to make. The person I’m replying to is trying to dismiss ALL criticisms against Hasan as disinformation, which I think is absolutely ridiculous as it’s based in the notion that no valid criticisms can exist against this guy.

Is this not just the the lesser of two evils argument? It isn’t as convincing to me when it’s about political streamers that you voluntarily choose to consume in your free time vs consequential national elections with candidates who you had little influence in choosing.

I’m not even really a diehard fan.

You wouldn’t write this novel sized comment if this was the case lol

he seems to “give a shit” about the wellbeing of non-millionaires way more than CNN and MSNBC anchors do. Certainly a shitload more than my state’s senators do. Certainly more than the president does of any Americans

How does this in any way disprove my point that he doesn’t give a shit about what people say about hime online both positive and negative?

I’d much rather get it from folks whose actions have demonstrated an objectively more favorable view of policies that align to my interests moreso than 90% of the news media and politicians out there.

This is horrible lol. Credibility of news should depend on their accuracy and objectivity, not how much they align with your preexisting news. What you’re describing here is just confirmation bias.

because I can point to media anyone can watch for and verify for themselves all while you and several others continue to mischaracterize this guy as an animal abuser, or an anti-Semite, and other absurd easily debunked claims

What in the fuck are you even talking about? What does this have to do with what I said? You choose to make up criticisms that neither I nor anybody else here made, and then wrote paragraphs upon paragraphs “debunking” them. The only thing you proved here is that you’re cartoonish caricature of the type of person I’m criticizing.

I was just making the point that Hasan is in it for himself. This is clearly his business and he’s raking in the cash because of it. He does not care about how people online view him or what criticisms people have of him. That’s why I find it weird that he has all these ride or die stans who are willing to wear their shining armor and go to great lengths to defend him on online forums against any and all criticism, no matter how valid.

“How come you, a communist own an iPhone. Checkmate communists”

This is such a grossly disingenuous talking point by his stans because it exists solely to dismiss criticism against Hasan, even if it contradicts your own principles.

I am not one of those people who thinks that he’s a hypocrite for not living in abject poverty. It’s completely reasonable anybody, including socialists, to seek a comfortable life in a capitalist society. However, there is a very big difference between participating in society and living in luxury. The former is something you have to do, but the latter is a conscious and unnecessary choice. Which again, would’ve been fine if he was honest with his audience… but he isn’t.

If you can’t see the difference between a socialist who buys nothing but $7000 suits and $200,000 sports cars and someone who has an iPhone and Rav4, then that’s on you. My point stands.

you have to expect that it will cost more.

You’re falling for the grift, this is a part of his marketing. His gimmick is that the clothes are union made domestically, which he uses to justify the ridiculously high prices. However, that is NOT the reason why the prices are as high as they are. He constantly runs a lot promotions and sales events, which means that he’s not selling his merch at the minimum necessary to keep the operation going in order to give his customers the best deal, but he’s selling his products at a very juicy profit.

Buying better quality stuff can improve one’s quality of life compared to whatever’s cheapest in the constant race to the bottom that this world is going through.

You fundamentally misunderstand the point I’m making. The price isn’t the point, the reasons behind why the prices are so high is. Keep in mind, there are a lot of other clothing companies that use only union labor and manufacture domestically like AllAmericanClothing.com, but their prices are damn near half of what Hasan is selling his at.

Soooo he’s hoarding his wealth? Or he’s spending it all and flashing it around? Which is it? Also $3 million for property in Hollywood only buys you a smallish house by the rest of the country’s standards.

What point are you even trying to make? They’re one and the same. He’s raking money left and right and he’s using that money to indulge himself on a life of luxury at the expense of his audience.

Like, clearly your problem is the classic “why do you a communist own an iPhone” but at the scale of a relatively wealthy person.

But the reason why I called this disingenuous is because it is very reductionist. This entire talking point exists to intentionally kill the nuance and thus render the criticism as something silly. It’s like someone criticizing a preachy vegan who eats meat every time they go out, and then having another person come to their defense by saying something like “why are criticizing them? Are vegans not allowed to eat?”. Like clearly that’s not the point being made, you’re being obtuse on purpose.

The difference between a millionaire and a billionaire is about a billion dollars. There’s about 24 million millionaires in the US, there’s only about 3,000 billionaires in the entire world. There’s a world of difference between being wealthy and literally having wealth that exceeds that of entire countries

Again, you’re missing the point. The scale doesn’t matter, I’m criticizing the behavior. There’s a clear world of difference between a pair of grandparents owning a home for 50 years and that is now valued at over a million dollars, and someone like Hasan who’s living a live of wealth and luxury. If Hasan just lived a comfortable life and used his wealth in accordance to the principles he preaches then nobody would have an issue, but he doesn’t and thus he’s being criticized for it. It’s that simple.

No “real job” has ever made any demands of my actual personality or identity.

I see you’ve never worked in sales

No, he doesn’t. What kind of out of touch, giga privileged perspective is that?

Being a streamer is one of the most comfortable careers in the world. You get to set your own times, you get to be your own boss, you get to do it from the comfort of your own home, and you get to keep all the money you make. That type of freedom, ownership, and flexibility is something that most people could only dream of. The very idea of owning your own businesses and making a good living from it is very appealing, which is so many people try to be content creators.

Most people fail at it because they don’t treat it like a serious job, they think just putting a camera in front of them is enough for the money to start rolling in, but that’s never true. Professional streamers, like Hasan, treat it like a real job. You have this misconception that streaming becomes your life, but that’s not true. Professional streamers have very firm boundaries between their personal lives and their work. They follow very strict streaming and uploading schedules, they have carefully curated and tweaked online persona that’s designed to attract and maintain an audience, and they’re very careful to not do anything that hurts their brand image with their core audience. They also make sure to never interact with or seek out how people talk about them online, because going down that rabbit hole will lead to your career’s demise, so most professionals don’t do this.

So the struggles that you’re attributing to Hasan aren’t really there. He has a private life different from his career, his streaming persona is different from his real personality, and he intentionally ignores what people say about him online. Does streaming require effort and commitment? Sure. Does it come with its own pressure and risks? Sure, it’s like any other job. Is it soul sucking? Not in the least.

Compare streaming to something actually soul sucking like construction work. As a construction worker, you have to commute to the construction site 5 days a week, you have to work long shifts outside, you get little to no breaks, you have deal with annoying managers who micromanage everything you do, you have to work your ass off to meet very tight deadlines or else you could get fired, you have to deal with loud noises and strong smells all day, you work in a dangerous environment that requires you to be alert at all time, you have to constantly lift and move heavy things and do physical maneuvers that are taxing on the body for long periods of time… all for paycheck that’s just a bit over minimum wage. When you clock out, you’re so exhausted physically and mentally, you feel like a zombie. You can’t do anything for the rest of the day besides eating a meal, taking a shower, and going to sleep… because you have to repeat everything again the next day and the next and the next. Before you know it, years have passed and you life hasn’t progressed at all because you don’t have time, money, or energy to do anything. Now THAT is soul sucking.

Calling streaming soul sucking feels very off to me. You don’t understand just how many people are willing to give up their crappy jobs to become streaming provocateurs.

It’s so odd to me how this guy has some of the most diehard fans on the internet. Like Hasan is literal multimillionaire streamer who doesn’t give two shits about you, why do you defend him so hard? You’re not even willing to consider the possibility that some of the criticism against him might be valid, you’re just dismissing it all as disinfo, and that’s absolutely wild to me.

He’s 100% a grifter, it’s baffling how anyone can deny this. Hasan preaches against capitalism, but he literally runs a for profit clothing brand where he sells clothes at ridiculously high prices. He preaches against consummerism, but he is notorious for bragging about he spends thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of dollars, on designer brand outfits and jewelry. In fact that’s all he ever wears on any of his streams. He preaches against wealth hoarding, but again, he’s a multimillionaire who used money he earned from ads, sales, and hard earned dollars from fans to buy a $200k sports car and $3 million mansion in Hollywood. Like what are we even talking about? This guy is grifter through and through, just because he doesn’t grift in the same way as Alex Jones, that doesn’t mean that he isn’t one.

The fuck he does. He’s a literal multimillionaire who grifts for a living from the comfort of his own home. You think someone like him goes on Twitter or Reddit and reads what people say about him? He barely interacts with the public outside of his streams, he has one of the most stress free jobs in the world. Emotional load my ass, the only pressure he has is to keep up his persona and to grow his audience which is a very privileged position to be in.

Damn almost ragebaited me, good shit