• csolisr@hub.azkware.net
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    Including possession? What will they do, demand all users in the UK to unlock their devices for regular content scans?

  • NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
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    6 days ago

    I may be stateside but i’m still amazed that a party that’s supposed to be truly left-leaning is putting out alt-right policies in the U.K.

    • The D Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
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      It bugs me sometimes that Labour gets to claim it’s centre-left when it so consistently is fascist.

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          am i? they implement draconian mass surveilance measures, reinforce racism, and tolerate a shocking degree of transphobia. when i look at the things the labour party has done in my life, i see a littany right-wing populist actions that undermine left-wing populist movements. if we use the definition of fascism that fascism is right-wing populism undercutting left-wing populism, i find it hard to see Labour as something other than the slick clean wide smiling acceptable version of Britain’s Ur-Fascism spearheaded by the Conservative and Union Party

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            Yes, you are. If you go purely on definitions and comparisons to actual fascism, you’re wide off the mark. But sure, “vibes” is where we are these days with reasoning.

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    6 days ago

    As always, the first computers you should check when anyone tries to ban consensual porn that harms no one, are the computers of the ones proposing the ban.

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    The Ministry of Justice said that possessing and publishing porn showing incest between family members and sex between step or foster relatives where one person pretends to be under-18 would be a crime.

    So it’s only a crime if they pretend to be under-18, and I haven’t seen any porno where anyone pretends to be under-18. There’s literally a category called barely 18. No one ever pretends to be under, but they do pretend to be barely-18.

    Jess Asato, the Labour MP for Lowestoft, said: ‘After many years of campaigning to ensure online pornographic content is subject to the same rules as offline content,

    When the fuck was under-18 porn ever legal? WTF? Also, isn’t the age of consent in the UK 16 years old?

    What the fuck is the point of this? Why the fuck is it needed? Who is it helping? What is it fixing? NOTHING.

    Fucking jokers… Go tax the billionaires and fix the NHS and the cost of the living crisis you cunts .

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      The thing is they really don’t have grounds to ban “step” porn, but this will make their supporters think “he is going after them gross porn people” while downloading a VPN. It might have a chilling effect on porn producers, for a few minutes, but unless your porn had an actor explicitly state “I’m under 18” you are probably ok. I know this is UK based but the whole point of the law " act cool for my voters" is pretty universal.

    • Seth Taylor@lemmy.world
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      If you read further you see this, though:

      “Step-incest pornography and that which depicts performers as children is abhorrent”

      So it’s not just if they pretend to be under 18. I think. I don’t know. I don’t think they know either. I think they’re trying to score cheap political points.

  • Korne127@lemmy.world
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    6 days ago

    Labour had a historical chance after the Tories have fucked it up so much, and they’re just doing shit all the time

    Hopefully the Green party can save UK

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      The Greens are anti nuclear nimbys, they would plunge the UK into even further trouble especially with their lala land economics. Their immigration policy is also troubling as in the world we currently live in near open borders would collapse the welfare system the UK currently has & also furthers brain drain from poorer countries.

      (I am not against immigration in principle but their stated policy on the matter is absolutely nuts, Marx wrote about how we should invest in the global south and help them up to better living standards, not decemate their domestic talent pool.)

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        Tounchosukd check out https://greensfornuclear.energy/

        They propose changing green party policy on energy to be more practical than idealist.

        When the green party is a minor party, being idealistic is more important. It helps to guide the policy of bigger parties to prevent losing votes to them. When they are bigger or wish to be involved in government, practical reasonable policy is more important.

        Regarding immigration, open borders can be the final ideal and that can be in a phased way. There is no problem with higher immigration if there are the resources to deal with it. In fact its a benefit for the host country and the immigrant, usually. Most economic migrants come seeking work not handouts. Most economic migrants work the jobs that locals don’t want to work. It does have a downward effect on wages, though.

        Like everything, gradual change to ideal policy is usually the best way forwards.

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          Thats nice but until their MPs stop trying to block vital infrastructure & continue to complain about nuclear projects ill never vote for them. Their current policy and actions are something that mean I will never vote for them unless its explicitly changed, which a campaign group doesnt satisfy.

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            That’s fair but when tories are awful for generations, Labor are centre right at this point and lib Dems are useless and trust evaporates instantly, it limits your options.

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                That’s cloae enough to green and policies for the people, not the powerful for me. Only issue I have isbthatbforba party that wanted independence, thrybseemed to have no actual plan after the referendum. What would happen to pensions, government services, national insurance contributions etc. Now they won’t get a vote for years again and that’s after brecit, which was a reason to stay. There’s idealism and there’s competency!

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        How’s Hinkley Point C coming along? Awesome nuclear technology, such cheap and clean energy, much wow.

        Like it or not, but not going nuclear is the economically sound decision these days.

        And

        I am not against immigration, but…

        Hear, hear! How much stereotype is allowed in one comment?

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    The most interesting thing about this is the fact that step siblings can have legal relationships and even marry under UK law, but depictions of their very legal sex lives are now illegal.

    I think someone might challenge this as a human right to expression infringement.

    For instance, you and your partner happen to be step siblings, but want to generate income on onlyfans. Now you can’t. Not because you are defacto doing anything illegal.

    Also, and here’s where it gets fun…

    Imagine you and your partner do make sexy videos but then your respective parents hook up.

    The videos were made when you were not step siblings, but now you are.

    Where does the law stand there? No one knows.

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      Where does the law stand there? No one knows.

      Be even worse in a few years when the paltry votes they scrounged up with this move are long forgotten and the law continues to punish and hurt people for literally no justifiable reason.

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      Imagine you and your partner do make sexy videos but then your respective parents hook up.

      The videos were made when you were not step siblings, but now you are.

      This is essentially my understanding of the origin of the trope. When I was growing up, both me and every single kid I knew’s parents were already or in the process of either getting a divorce or remarrying.

      So situations like Clueless and Drake & Josh were the norm, and it makes the trope all the more hilarious.

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      Well how could it not be? Genetically it’s just two random people, what would be the basis of making it illegal if at some point your parents hit off?

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        The basis to make it illegal is antiquated views of old white men how other people should live their lives according to how they see fit. Nothing more

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      Ah thus is about the porn nobody is actually a step sibling.

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        A person presumed to possess the legal capacity for consent cannot have sex with a person presumed to lack that legal capacity. The teenager is not restricted; the adult is restricted.

        When a camera is added, the law becomes inconsistent. The minor lacks the capacity to legally engage in sex, but is now (potentially) culpable in their own exploitation if they video themselves.

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    Step-incest pornography and that which depicts performers as children is abhorrent.
    Alongside banning strangulation in pornography which the government previously announced, tackling this vile content will make our country a safer place for women and children and shows the UK can lead the world in tackling violence against women and girls

    That’s it folks, step incest is violence against women and girls. Next up, in order to further protect them, they’ll be prohibited from going outside without a man by their side.

    Whoever asked “What’s next, BDSM?” - guess what

    The government has already made porn that shows women being choked illegal, after a review found videos like these had helped normalise it in real life.

    The only silver lining in this whole thing is still only in “planning”

    Ministers are also planning to make tech bosses personally liable if their platforms do not remove intimate pictures of people that are posted without consent.

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    This is the hill they die on? This is the issue they threaten to revolt for? Not properly funding the NHS or something else that benefits people?