• Vogi@piefed.socialEnglish
    891·
    6 days ago

    I never get why people do not understand satire, neither on twitter nor here. Its so on the nose you cant possibly think they are not aware of what they comment on… It is satire… right…?

      • TachyonTele@piefed.socialEnglish
        652·
        6 days ago

        My hero
        Heres the answer for anyone else curious

        Grok
        @grok
        Mar 18
        Replying to @AlanLevinovitz @KBucko7
        The post quotes Dune (by Frank Herbert): men handed thinking to machines hoping for freedom, but it let other men (with machines) enslave them. Then Paul cites the Orange Catholic Bible: “Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind.”

        “Herbert was cooking” = he crushed it with this. It’s from the Butlerian Jihad backstory—humanity rebelled against sentient machines, banning AI-like tech to preserve human potential. A timeless caution on tech dependence.

        And then person actually says “thank you” to the LLM, and nothing was learned that day.

        • Skua@kbin.earth
          431·
          6 days ago

          I am very sure that he’s joking given the tone of it and the fact that he’s a professor of philosophy

        • Skullgrid@lemmy.worldEnglish
          15·
          6 days ago

          And then he asks grok to summarise and explain the book/series to him. Which made me horrified, but then I remembered I have never read the dune books, just read bits from wikis and seen the films.

          Now I don’t know what to feel. Oh right, there’s several types of books that I can’t fucking sit through because they are written like pretentious ass and deal with dense, dry topics, so I guess I wasn’t going to sit through that shit with or without wikis and AIs.

          I’ve read other books, and then read the fucking wikis. I guess for somethings and some contexts you just need the abridged version.

          If you disagree, feel free to go read “Infinite Jest”, “Godel Escher and Bach”, and “Crime and Punishment”, then get back to me on this topic.

          I’ve read about half of one of those books. Feel free to guess.

            • RogueJello@lemmy.worldEnglish
              4·
              6 days ago

              Depends on how detailed and respectful they wanted to be of the original material. Lawerence of Arab in Space where a young lord abuses a artificial prophecy to gain control of a planet, unleashing universal jihad where billions die isn’t far off.

              It does leave out some of the interesting bits, like when one of his ancestors turns into a worm, marries his sister and gets another man to fuck her, since he’s no longer able to do so.

              • forrgott@lemmy.zipEnglish
                2·
                6 days ago

                And then resurrects his dad’s best friend over and over until the guy kills him.

                The books do get… weird.

          • sobchak@programming.devEnglish
            3·
            6 days ago

            I thought Dune was good. I read it while I was in middle-school and thought it was engrossing. I also read a lot of Arthur C. Clarke back then, but I guess some people don’t like his style. I tried reading Godel, Escher, Bach as a young adult, and yeah, I maybe finished half.

            • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zipEnglish
              1·
              6 days ago

              I read the first one a few times as a kid (I was really into scifi). Then I read the second one and it put me off checking out the rest of the series.

              • mojofrododojo@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                5 days ago

                I must be a weirdo because I ripped through all of Frank Herbert’s dune books then went on to read his other stuff like The Whipping Star, Dosadi Experiment, and White Plague.

                that guy writes shit that excites my neurons.

      • Skullgrid@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7·
        5 days ago

        you literally lived through the era of buying research chemicals , which were literally described in Transmetropolitan[1], through “the silk road” an encrypted exchange that sold drugs using cryptocurrency.

        What fucking future sight psychedelics were you missing?

        [1] Transmet describes drugs that circumvent drugs laws that exist for hours before they are banned. Research chemicals are drugs that mimic more famous ones but are legally distrinct from them, that get banned sooner or later.

        1. 1 ↩︎

    • Birch@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      12·
      6 days ago

      Well I for one think the torment nexus will be a swell thing once completed. Will it torment some peoples digital consciousnesses for aeons? Sure, but think of the upsides!

    • youcantreadthis@quokk.auEnglish
      6·
      6 days ago

      Sure would be nice if we were literate and critical enough to not justcopy their narratives and build the fucking torment nexus every time.

    • rafoix@lemmy.zipEnglish
      34·
      6 days ago

      He used religion and privilege instead. It’s almost as if Herbert had a bone to pick with more than one thing.

  • minorkeys@lemmy.worldBannedEnglish
    10·
    6 days ago

    I don’t know how anyone can have lived in the world built by the goals of business leaders and decide they will suddenly have different goals if we just empower them even more…

    • Gorgritch_Umie_Killa@aussie.zoneEnglish
      4·
      6 days ago

      Thanks for the recommendation.

      I’d heard of Forster, but never made the time. After reading the first few pages of The Machine Stops it looks interesting. The hyper drive for ‘efficiency’, presented as rational but leading to absurdities I think fits our times and the dissatisfaction with Classical and Neoliberal economic policies, likely the culture war driven faux-Christian morality of many as well.

      I think its time to have a look at Forster more carefully. He was involved in the Bloomsbury Set, which is where I’d heard of him before.

      • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zipEnglish
        3·
        6 days ago

        It’s a great story. Been awhile since I read it but IIRC it even has a bit about the society coddled by the machines deciding that primary sources are considered less valuable than the commentary that others make about those sources. It’s like if online commentary was somehow better than books.

  • Treczoks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    5 days ago

    Maybe humanity should learn from this and start the Butlerian Jihad before AI gets too powerful?

  • Dasus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3·
    5 days ago

    Luckily LLM’s don’t actually think, but the amount of people willing to replace their own thoughts with fancy answering machines is kinda creepy though. So if we ever managed machines that actually think, we should definitely remember this, yeah.

    • zarkanian@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      3·
      5 days ago

      LLMs have been around for awhile. I had a temp job working on an LLM 7 years ago. It was always referred to as an “LLM” or “machine learning”. I never once saw or heard anybody calling it “artificial intelligence” or “AI”. This rebranding is to convince people that it’s something completely new and that it’s capable of doing things that it can’t do.

  • BilSabab@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4·
    5 days ago

    Too bad baby Herbert rendered Butlerian Jihad into a Terminator story… a generational L for sci-fi.