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Therapy doesn’t fix reality.
I mean for some it can help them accept and process reality a little better.
it is no sign of good health to be properly adapted to a profoundly sick society
It helps to survive. You can still critizice the fucked system while suffering less from it. Often that’s the best one can do.
It has nonzero value for many but that doesn’t elevate it to the status that we should shake our heads at people who don’t go. Like this tweet does.
I disagree.
An unwillingness to engage with therapy, or therapeutic ideas at least, is something I will condescend about. I don’t think very highly of people who have no muscle for self-improvement.
Your logic is perfect as long as therapy is perfect, which it is not. Before you judge anyone on this, you need to allow for the fact that psychology is still a very inexact science and has also done a fair amount of harm over its history.
“No muscle for self-improvement” is not synonymous with “I don’t go to therapy.”
I would cautiously agree with you that it’s also not healthy to be totally against therapy. However in this tweet some men enjoyed a nice break from society and this tweet immediately went to making fun of them for not attending therapy.
THAT is a very big LEAP.
I’m referring to the platonic ideal of therapy; if you have a bad therapist, then find a new one. If you can’t… then that sucks.
But also, there’s a reason I said “therapeutic ideas”: I don’t go to therapy. I already have really strong muscles for self-improvement. The point of therapy, whether you pay for it or not, is to build them if you don’t have them.
In this sense, therapy is 1-to-1 synonymous with becoming a better person. If you’re doing the same work outside of a therapist’s office, that’s a meaningless different to me.
and this tweet immediately went to making fun of them
This tweet is framing the issue intentionally to land a punchline, they’re not talking about the actual guy.
And you become part of what makes it sick if you don’t have they tools to develop a deeper self awareness. I was profoundly skeptical of therapy for a long time, and also thought myself very self aware. But with a good therapist you can uncover enormous blind spots and generally improve how you treat yourself an others. Society is built by those within it.
It should help with developing a more healthy perception of reality, isn’t that enough?
Therapy won’t make the world they have to go back to any better than it was before.
Yeah, wtf does therapy even do? My brain is fucked because of the reality of my situation not because I have some dysfunctional mindset I need to work through. It’s all external factors. Having to grind away at a job I hate just to scrape by while everything continues to get more expensive, billionaires burning the world, and our government falls to fascists is fucking hell. You’d have to be crazy not to have a fucked up mentality. Am I supposed to spend even more money I don’t have just to talk about my problems?
Alternatively being able to completely disconnect from all this shit for a month where I have no choice but to simply focus on survival sounds pretty great.
Therapy is mostly about meditation, coping strategies, and self-improvement.
I think you might balk at the suggestion of developing coping strategies at all, but this:
being able to completely disconnect from all this shit for a month
Is a coping strategy. It doesn’t really fix anything, but it does help you manage stress. I assume you can’t take a month off, so therapy would say, “Okay, what’s a second idea.”
The problem with therapy is when you don’t share the life goals of the therapist or the people trying to help you, you end up in a gridlock. I have never had a productive experience with therapists as an adult and I don’t have infinite money to keep trying. My experiences with therapist or other support people in the public school system was downright evil as they wanted me to accomplish their life goals rather then my own.
I know why I’m depressed. I’m depressed because the world is broken and the people that want to do something about it are stonewalled by the people who benefit from it being broken. The elites that know they benefit from it being broken and view that are the natural order and their delusional followers who carved out a bit of limited success in their “professionalism.” Those “professionals” fill the school system and hamper kids who could do better and brainwash them to settle for financial success.
There’s no realistic coping. I just took a week of PTO but by about four days into it my mind was bringing up all the shit I was going to have to do when I got back which just stressed me out again. The only way to get ahead of it would be to get everything done so there’s nothing waiting when you come back which in my role is basically impossible. The only way I see out of this for myself is if I could ever manage to generate enough passive income that I don’t have to have a full time job anymore. But economically everything is going to shit and I was already not in a great place before that so again it’s not realistic to expect anything to improve. Talking about it won’t change anything.
There is. Listen, I’ve watched enough shonen to know that acquiring a positive attitude in the face of adversity is a source of profound strength.
I’m not saying it’s easy.
The world is burning right now? Yeah, and? These are the times you need it the most. This is the time all that mental practice was for.
If a tiger strolled in on your month-long wilderness vacation and bit half your leg off, what, do you just bleed out? Roll over and die? Most men I know know that that’s the time you need to pull yourself together, rid yourself of worldly concerns like panic, tourniquet the wound or whatever, and get yourself to a goddamn medic.
The tiger runs off in this scenario, by the way. It was scared by a… bird. “I wouldn’t have a chance to give up—the tiger would eat me!” Shush.
Okay, I keep trudging along. Great. That’s what I’ve been doing. I’m pulled together as I’m going to be. It doesn’t make me happy or optimistic about the future.
“Hope” is an internal battle. The truly hopeful have learned how to create their own.
So they’re either delusional or they’ve discovered a path out of the hole they’re in. I have neither of those things.
Well, to be fair, neither will getting lost at sea
No, but on a remote uninhabited island you can pretend the bullshit doesn’t exist.
It’s incredibly hard to delude yourself when something is in front of yourself face. Although this is apparently a flaw in me, as most people seem perfectly capable of it.
Assuming you’re rescued. But there’s a chance you’ll get to die without answering another passive aggressive email…ahhh. one can dream.
Dude was out at sea for a month and tried to find a positive from it and peeps decided to be sexist about it
sexist
Jesus Christ, grow up.
Username seems ironic for a bigoted asshole, be better comrade.
Oh I’m bigoted? Lol ok bud. Against whom exactly
Their point might be that “sexism” is misogyny, that negative attitudes toward men aren’t equivalent to the very deliberate oppression of women, that the enforcers of men’s oppression tend to be men. Comments like that from the post aren’t nice and I don’t care to defend it, but it’s somewhat equivalent to a marginalized person making a snarky comment at those who benefit from their oppression, calling it sexist isn’t accurate if we’re discussing systemic oppression (which generally we are whenever women come up).
That said I don’t know this user, for all I know they’re just reactionary lol
Their point might be that “sexism” is misogyny
Then they’re incorrect.
How was that observation immature?
Being lost at sea for 30 days is the therapy
Too bad he got rescued a day early then.
That last day is where it really sticks/integrates long-term. Too bad.
Tbh that does sound kind of nice right about now.
Shit moves so fast you’d come back to a completely different world. Itd be like the planet of the apes
Back to the island it is then!
Going to therapy?
… in this economy and healthcare system?
And now you’re on a list for RFK Jr’s camps
The sea doesn’t bill by the hour.
The copay is ‘can you find a coconut today?’
Anybody would rather be lost at sea for 29 days than be forced to participate in a rigged economy
I’m in therapy and I’d still like a month away on a remotely uninhabited island.
But. If you were there…
Well depends on what I’d have obviously, and what the island is like.
But assume basic glamping equipment and a perfect island and I’d be better than now.
Of course crashing on an atoll somewhere without any equipment would be pretty bleak. Deadly even.
The irony is that living stranded on an island is a return to reality, not an escape from it.
I have been and still am in therapy for a couple of years now. I would still like to be lost at sea to get such a break. (Provided I can easily survive that.)
You should mention these feelings to your therapist for some fresh content.
My therapist already knows. Not much we can currently do about it. There is also plenty to deal with so this is also conparably low on the priority list.
I think the point is that the reality of the world is currently shit and it sucks so it was nice to forget about that for a bit. It wasn’t that he had some trauma he could ignore.
Yes, but the world has always been shit
The 90’s were a far better period for America
1950s wre a far better period for america. Entire world economy& infrastructure destroyed except for america
Sure, but then you have the cold war fears from the soviet union, which obviously were not there for 90% of the 90’s
Wouldn’t be a problem if people weren’t more willing to go to therapy than achieve peace of mind.
I love the sea. Its the most peaceful thing we have on this planet.
Until the next storm.
Even storms are beautiful to me. When not in a boat. :)
i remember when i was like 8 years old and at a boat while there was a storm outside. it was the beautiful kind of scary, the moment where you start thinking “ok whatever happens, i can’t change it, so i might as well vibe with the situation”.
Who would choose a natural escape over institutionalized therapy? Me. That’s who
