Teen pregnancy is lower for sure thanks in large part to access to contraception. It’s not because sexual activity and rape went down.
It’s not only because of that, but it seems highly likely that that contributed. Impregnating children is, as you noted, almost always a sex crime, and sex crime is down by half. It’s certainly possible that the entire decrease was in crimes against adults and AMAB children, but that seems unlikely.
I’m still confident based on all the available information that the majority of 12 year olds that find themselves pregnant are victims of men.
Absolutely, but 12-year-olds are not teenagers. The study you cited doesn’t actually include anyone who gives birth at 12. That’s one more reason to track underage pregnancies separately. 18/19-year-olds skew the numbers because they’re above the age of consent, and girls below 13 don’t contribute.
There’s a lack of information to really nail down the statistics here. A lot of that is because rape and sexual assault aren’t reported in very high numbers.
So it would track based off this information that includes 13 year olds that it is similar for 12 year olds. And I stand by my statement that most pregnant 12 year olds are victims.
I don’t care for this pedantic, know-it-all type of debates on these topics. We’re talking about pregnant 12 year olds.
You’ll note that I quoted a bit more. That was for a reason: the part I took issue with was the “it’s not because of…”
So it would track based off this information that includes 13 year olds that it is similar for 12 year olds.
Perhaps, but it might not be. Those 13-year-olds are mixed in with 19-year-olds, whose circumstances are likely far different.
And I stand by my statement that most pregnant 12 year olds are victims.
You keep restating this as if anyone disagreed with you. I explicitly agreed in the comment to which you’re replying.
I don’t care for this pedantic, know-it-all type of debates on these topics. We’re talking about pregnant 12 year olds.
And you’re citing data as if it were much more applicable than it is. Data for 12-year-olds is likely worse, no one is denying that, but it’s still a weak argument to cite data that doesn’t include the age group in question, does include age groups with far different circumstances, and is from a time when the two phenomena in question (violent sex crimes and teenage pregnancy) were two and four times higher respectively.
I don’t care for this pedantic, know-it-all type of debates on these topics. We’re talking about pregnant 12 year olds.
Then why even attempt to supply evidence to the debate if you’re going to dismiss critiques of it later?
This is the point of research, and the thing is the ‘know-it-all’ type of debate ais all a result from your original statement. This isn’t about 12 year olds but the inherent logic within arguments.
This is the point of research, and the thing is the ‘know-it-all’ type of debate ais all a result from your original statement. This isn’t about 12 year olds but the inherent logic within arguments.
I was replying to someone making a “not all men” type of argument.
Sexual assault and rape aren’t reported in high enough numbers to get super accurate data.
Again, I’m aware Lemmings overwhelmingly want to pretend that men are just misunderstood and feminists are all misandrists and logic is superior over all others.
I’ll let you have your pedantic little fits about the technicalities of child rape and impregnation. I’m done engaging with you.
It’s not only because of that, but it seems highly likely that that contributed. Impregnating children is, as you noted, almost always a sex crime, and sex crime is down by half. It’s certainly possible that the entire decrease was in crimes against adults and AMAB children, but that seems unlikely.
Absolutely, but 12-year-olds are not teenagers. The study you cited doesn’t actually include anyone who gives birth at 12. That’s one more reason to track underage pregnancies separately. 18/19-year-olds skew the numbers because they’re above the age of consent, and girls below 13 don’t contribute.
That’s why I said “thanks in LARGE PART TO”
There’s a lack of information to really nail down the statistics here. A lot of that is because rape and sexual assault aren’t reported in very high numbers.
So it would track based off this information that includes 13 year olds that it is similar for 12 year olds. And I stand by my statement that most pregnant 12 year olds are victims.
I don’t care for this pedantic, know-it-all type of debates on these topics. We’re talking about pregnant 12 year olds.
You’ll note that I quoted a bit more. That was for a reason: the part I took issue with was the “it’s not because of…”
Perhaps, but it might not be. Those 13-year-olds are mixed in with 19-year-olds, whose circumstances are likely far different.
You keep restating this as if anyone disagreed with you. I explicitly agreed in the comment to which you’re replying.
And you’re citing data as if it were much more applicable than it is. Data for 12-year-olds is likely worse, no one is denying that, but it’s still a weak argument to cite data that doesn’t include the age group in question, does include age groups with far different circumstances, and is from a time when the two phenomena in question (violent sex crimes and teenage pregnancy) were two and four times higher respectively.
Then why even attempt to supply evidence to the debate if you’re going to dismiss critiques of it later?
This is the point of research, and the thing is the ‘know-it-all’ type of debate ais all a result from your original statement. This isn’t about 12 year olds but the inherent logic within arguments.
I was replying to someone making a “not all men” type of argument.
Sexual assault and rape aren’t reported in high enough numbers to get super accurate data.
Again, I’m aware Lemmings overwhelmingly want to pretend that men are just misunderstood and feminists are all misandrists and logic is superior over all others.
I’ll let you have your pedantic little fits about the technicalities of child rape and impregnation. I’m done engaging with you.