It’s not about the actual relationship depicted. It’s that it’s forbidden. I doubt 99% of the people actually would want to bang their step-sister, or step-mother.
It’s also probably relatable to a significant portion of the audience. I wager a fair number of people have experienced a relationship or wanted a relationship stemming from that situation.
Through no choice of yours or theirs, suddenly you are spending a lot of time with someone. From some perspective ‘relatives’, but pratically speaking you have a stranger who is your age move in and you are both 15 to 17 and things happen.
I had a not-blood relation suddenly happen when we were both sixteen, and we ended up dating for a bit. A bit more removed than ‘siblings’, but close enough to spend a lot of time together.
That’s my understanding of why it’s so common too.
Though I suppose there’s some reason for concern, if you’re really opposed to the concept of it. I view it sorta on the same spectrum as things like ‘facials’ and how wildly popular those have seemingly become – a filming norm from a long time ago that mostly aimed to show/prove that the guy had cum, turns into something people do regularly because they’d seen it so much in porn. Same for things like anal, or many of the more mainstream fetishes/content – it becomes largely normalized by its prevalence in porn.
Sorta like how that Dingus guy, Mayor in Ohio, got caught sniffing his step daughters panties. Dude prolly thought it’d be the start of a raunchy good time, where she catches him and then admits her lust for his old flabby limp dick dad bod.
Representation matters, even in fantasy. Just ask Disney, JK Rowling, right leaning “It’s ok to be white!” advocates and left leaning “More brown Mermaids!” progressives. Though they may disagree on who should get represented, all parties involved generally agree that representation seems to matter a whole lot. To say that it doesn’t, only in the realm of (generally) cis men, would seem to me like discriminating against men – not allowing them the same social courtesy/context for forgiveness as women and other groups.
Human beings on aggregate are dumb monkeys.
When human see media depicting dumb monkeys doing something, many humans are inclined to try doing same thing.
Slightly less ELI5 – groups that advocate for things like representation of minorities in media, typically argue that negative representations of ethnic minorities results in increased racism in the general public towards those minorities, as well as the internalisation of those negative stereotypes by minorities. If, for example, black people are only ever shown in media as being gangsters and drug dealers, more black people will lean into that sort of marginalized/negative ‘professions’, and non-black people will have an inherent bias against them due to the prevalence of the stereotype. If they’re shown images/media that shows black people in positions like doctors, lawyers, politicians, etc, then more black people will aspire to emulate those images / move into those fields, and other people will be more accepting/less prejudice against them in those positions. Similarly, if men are shown a ton of step-incest porn, or porn that depicts violence towards partners, they’re more inclined to do those things. Step-incest is generally a huge negative outside of the fantasy realm, as things like a step dad + step daughter is pretty damn close to rape in many situations. Sorta like landlord porn – these things are not ok, but they get normalised through porn and then re-enacted by dumb monkeys like that idiot Ohio mayor or the dude on the cruise line who sexually assaulted and killed his step sister.
The significance of representation in media is basically an established concept. Left-wing sorts want more diverse representation because it leads to more equitable perspectives in the broader community – Right-leaning sorts often argue against more diverse representation as it chips away at what they consider ‘social norms’. Neither side argues that representation doesn’t matter, but rather, about who should be represented.
To pretend like this sort of thing doesn’t also impact porn, and/or to say that men are just idiots if they emulate things they see in porn, is to go against the idea that media representation matters, and to turn a blind eye to the stats that show these things DO impact dumb monkey behaviours. And to ignore this aspect of media, just in the case of men’s sexual urges/porn, is to do so in a way that disadvantages just men, placing all accountability onto the individual man, absolving the system/norms that have facilitated those negative activities/actions. When black people in the 80s were depicted as stereotypes, it was part of what’s generally termed systemic racism, which fed into a cycle of black people embracing those stereotypical professions. We don’t tend to hold individuals solely accountable for issues stemming from systemic wrongs. So why would we put all the blame on men, in cases when they’ve been shown step-incest porn, for emulating the tropes they’ve been taught in step-incest porn?
Besides, porn writers have just been lazy as shit in over-using that trope. You’ve got sites just reshooting the same boring tired-ass scenes with different shitty actors going through the motions, and hitting pretty much all the same poses and dialogue check boxes. Demand better from your pornographers. Hell, if pornographers were to routinely show more realistic pickups / ways to meet women outside of just “I live with you because we’re sorta related, oops my dick slipped in!”, maybe there wouldn’t be so many incel boys who can’t figure out how to approach women.
Hard disagree. People are responsible for there actions. Not the media they consume. We live in the real world with a multitude of influences to teach us how to act right. Media is fantasy, you can derive inspiration from it but it’s not a guideline for behavior. Literally talking to a single individual woman should be sufficient to show a rational individual that pornography is not depicting real scenarios. Millions of people are watching this shit and there’s a handful who are a problem and is there actually even a direct link between their actions and having viewed this shit? People have been sexually assaulting their children and subordinates for as long as there have been people. Assholes are always going to be assholes.
So do you oppose DEI and representation of minorities in media then with the same gusto and ferver? Do you oppose all social programs that aim to correct systemic biases that negatively impact different demographic slices? Or on the flip side, do you think that snuff/torture films should be normalised, as they’re just ‘fantasy’ and any sane person should just ‘know’ that you shouldn’t do that sort of thing? “People’ve been dealing drugs forever, and they’re going to continue dealing drugs – it doesn’t matter if 99% of drug dealers depicted in media are black!”. It’s the same principle.
Why do you make an exception for this particular case? My guess would be that it applies more personally to you, and you find that uncomfortable, so you’re trying to defend your preferred dumb monkey content. But we’re all dumb monkeys, and we gotta look out for each other. Hell, the UK had a pretty big “wake the fuck up” moment with the series “Adolescence” about incel boys and being captured by manscape bullshit, which is in the same realm as what you’re seemingly pushing. If you recognise that the issues presented in adolescence reflect broader issues in the community, then you should realistically also accept that those ecosystems need to get regulated/changed systemically to try and resolve the problem: it isn’t up to the impressionable 16 year old kid to make sure he comes of age in a culture that provides a positive sexual environment, but rather it’s up to (presumably) adults/people like you to look out for that kids well being, and ensure he’s not being exposed to misleading tropes.
I think a subset of people like it, and the rest tolerate it. So, if you label every porn video as step-someone with step-other, you serve both audiences.
What I have a hard time wrapping my head around are scenarios where step-dad, step-mom, step-sis, and step-bro are all going at it in the same scene. Under what circumstances do these four people live together?
The headline makes it sound like they banned the whole step porn genre, which seemed super ridiculous to me too.
Buried in the article is says:
…possessing and publishing porn showing incest between family members and sex between step or foster relatives where one person pretends to be under-18 would be a crime
I never understood this whole step porn thing, but this is ridiculous lol
Yeah.
I don’t get it, it’s weird, but is it 5 years in jail weird? No.
It’s not about the actual relationship depicted. It’s that it’s forbidden. I doubt 99% of the people actually would want to bang their step-sister, or step-mother.
it’s taboo. that’s all there is to get.
taboos are sexy.
It cheap to make. The “story” is simple but explains why these two people live in the same house without it being incest.
It’s also probably relatable to a significant portion of the audience. I wager a fair number of people have experienced a relationship or wanted a relationship stemming from that situation.
Through no choice of yours or theirs, suddenly you are spending a lot of time with someone. From some perspective ‘relatives’, but pratically speaking you have a stranger who is your age move in and you are both 15 to 17 and things happen.
I had a not-blood relation suddenly happen when we were both sixteen, and we ended up dating for a bit. A bit more removed than ‘siblings’, but close enough to spend a lot of time together.
That’s my understanding of why it’s so common too.
Though I suppose there’s some reason for concern, if you’re really opposed to the concept of it. I view it sorta on the same spectrum as things like ‘facials’ and how wildly popular those have seemingly become – a filming norm from a long time ago that mostly aimed to show/prove that the guy had cum, turns into something people do regularly because they’d seen it so much in porn. Same for things like anal, or many of the more mainstream fetishes/content – it becomes largely normalized by its prevalence in porn.
Sorta like how that Dingus guy, Mayor in Ohio, got caught sniffing his step daughters panties. Dude prolly thought it’d be the start of a raunchy good time, where she catches him and then admits her lust for his old flabby limp dick dad bod.
The problem there isn’t the porn, it’s morons thinking porn is representing reality.
Representation matters, even in fantasy. Just ask Disney, JK Rowling, right leaning “It’s ok to be white!” advocates and left leaning “More brown Mermaids!” progressives. Though they may disagree on who should get represented, all parties involved generally agree that representation seems to matter a whole lot. To say that it doesn’t, only in the realm of (generally) cis men, would seem to me like discriminating against men – not allowing them the same social courtesy/context for forgiveness as women and other groups.
What the fuck are you talking about? What does this have to do with pornography?
Ok, an ELI5 for you since you seem to need it:
Human beings on aggregate are dumb monkeys. When human see media depicting dumb monkeys doing something, many humans are inclined to try doing same thing.
Slightly less ELI5 – groups that advocate for things like representation of minorities in media, typically argue that negative representations of ethnic minorities results in increased racism in the general public towards those minorities, as well as the internalisation of those negative stereotypes by minorities. If, for example, black people are only ever shown in media as being gangsters and drug dealers, more black people will lean into that sort of marginalized/negative ‘professions’, and non-black people will have an inherent bias against them due to the prevalence of the stereotype. If they’re shown images/media that shows black people in positions like doctors, lawyers, politicians, etc, then more black people will aspire to emulate those images / move into those fields, and other people will be more accepting/less prejudice against them in those positions. Similarly, if men are shown a ton of step-incest porn, or porn that depicts violence towards partners, they’re more inclined to do those things. Step-incest is generally a huge negative outside of the fantasy realm, as things like a step dad + step daughter is pretty damn close to rape in many situations. Sorta like landlord porn – these things are not ok, but they get normalised through porn and then re-enacted by dumb monkeys like that idiot Ohio mayor or the dude on the cruise line who sexually assaulted and killed his step sister.
The significance of representation in media is basically an established concept. Left-wing sorts want more diverse representation because it leads to more equitable perspectives in the broader community – Right-leaning sorts often argue against more diverse representation as it chips away at what they consider ‘social norms’. Neither side argues that representation doesn’t matter, but rather, about who should be represented.
To pretend like this sort of thing doesn’t also impact porn, and/or to say that men are just idiots if they emulate things they see in porn, is to go against the idea that media representation matters, and to turn a blind eye to the stats that show these things DO impact dumb monkey behaviours. And to ignore this aspect of media, just in the case of men’s sexual urges/porn, is to do so in a way that disadvantages just men, placing all accountability onto the individual man, absolving the system/norms that have facilitated those negative activities/actions. When black people in the 80s were depicted as stereotypes, it was part of what’s generally termed systemic racism, which fed into a cycle of black people embracing those stereotypical professions. We don’t tend to hold individuals solely accountable for issues stemming from systemic wrongs. So why would we put all the blame on men, in cases when they’ve been shown step-incest porn, for emulating the tropes they’ve been taught in step-incest porn?
Besides, porn writers have just been lazy as shit in over-using that trope. You’ve got sites just reshooting the same boring tired-ass scenes with different shitty actors going through the motions, and hitting pretty much all the same poses and dialogue check boxes. Demand better from your pornographers. Hell, if pornographers were to routinely show more realistic pickups / ways to meet women outside of just “I live with you because we’re sorta related, oops my dick slipped in!”, maybe there wouldn’t be so many incel boys who can’t figure out how to approach women.
Hard disagree. People are responsible for there actions. Not the media they consume. We live in the real world with a multitude of influences to teach us how to act right. Media is fantasy, you can derive inspiration from it but it’s not a guideline for behavior. Literally talking to a single individual woman should be sufficient to show a rational individual that pornography is not depicting real scenarios. Millions of people are watching this shit and there’s a handful who are a problem and is there actually even a direct link between their actions and having viewed this shit? People have been sexually assaulting their children and subordinates for as long as there have been people. Assholes are always going to be assholes.
So do you oppose DEI and representation of minorities in media then with the same gusto and ferver? Do you oppose all social programs that aim to correct systemic biases that negatively impact different demographic slices? Or on the flip side, do you think that snuff/torture films should be normalised, as they’re just ‘fantasy’ and any sane person should just ‘know’ that you shouldn’t do that sort of thing? “People’ve been dealing drugs forever, and they’re going to continue dealing drugs – it doesn’t matter if 99% of drug dealers depicted in media are black!”. It’s the same principle.
Why do you make an exception for this particular case? My guess would be that it applies more personally to you, and you find that uncomfortable, so you’re trying to defend your preferred dumb monkey content. But we’re all dumb monkeys, and we gotta look out for each other. Hell, the UK had a pretty big “wake the fuck up” moment with the series “Adolescence” about incel boys and being captured by manscape bullshit, which is in the same realm as what you’re seemingly pushing. If you recognise that the issues presented in adolescence reflect broader issues in the community, then you should realistically also accept that those ecosystems need to get regulated/changed systemically to try and resolve the problem: it isn’t up to the impressionable 16 year old kid to make sure he comes of age in a culture that provides a positive sexual environment, but rather it’s up to (presumably) adults/people like you to look out for that kids well being, and ensure he’s not being exposed to misleading tropes.
I think a subset of people like it, and the rest tolerate it. So, if you label every porn video as step-someone with step-other, you serve both audiences.
What I have a hard time wrapping my head around are scenarios where step-dad, step-mom, step-sis, and step-bro are all going at it in the same scene. Under what circumstances do these four people live together?
Yeah, that just sounds like regular porn but with extra steps.
it’s porn. it’s not supposed to make any sense anymore than Marvel movies are. it’s fantasy
The headline makes it sound like they banned the whole step porn genre, which seemed super ridiculous to me too.
Buried in the article is says: