cross-posted from: https://news.abolish.capital/post/41590
The entire Israeli political spectrum is united in blasting Netanyahu for not continuing to attack Iran, and Israeli society agrees. The reason, to put it simply, is that Israelis are war junkies.
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There are a handful of decent humans there who oppose it all. They have protested and been beaten up.
Mostly young people. Not very many of them. But I think that’s pretty courageous considering they are literally surrounded by wolves.
What must it be like to live in a country surrounded by insane fascist. ?
Oh… Nevermind I guess I know.
Well.
But at least most of my fellow U.S citizens aren’t in support of it.
I think Israel must feel like literally everyone is maga except like 2 people you know.
It’s a good time to recommend the Discworld book Jingo, which remains just as relevant as when it was written.
It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone’s fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I’m one of Us. I must be. I’ve certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. *No one* ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We’re always one of Us. It’s Them that do the bad things.
And another quote from Feet of Clay:
Just because someone’s a member of an ethnic minority doesn’t mean they’re not a nasty small-minded little jerk
(And then there’s The Fifth Elephant that’s so painfully spot-on that I’d rather not spoil a single moment of it. Terry Pratchett was amazing and I wish he was still around to share his humor and wisdom. We could use a few laughs right now.)
Seems like a lifetime since he died, I hope his books are still popular in a hundred years. Gnu pterry.
Death to the IDF and all but this article is misleading horseshit. Do better, lemmy.
how about you do better and explain
The people in the surrounding g discussions have already done a better job than I could myself.
The poll they cite only polled 500 people and the “Israel Democracy Institute” who conducted the poll was founded by a Trump mega donor.
Mondoweiss loses credibility by releasing this article without pointing out the obvious polling issue.
They also failed to shout out the organizations that have been protesting daily against the war! Standing Together עומדים ביחד has been organizing protests since day one of the operation.
Mondoweiss is showing itself as an unfair propagandist publication who is more interested in clicks and spicy headlines than actually giving a real picture.
The poll they cite only polled 500 people
Which is more than enough. Statistically, you only need 30 or so samples to get a normal distribution, at which case the error varies with 1/sqrt(n) for sample size n. This means that if a sample size of 8000 would only have 4 times less error (so from 4% to 2%) compared to one of 500. The mathematics of the thing is ironclad: Provided the sample is representative (i.e. doesn’t unfairly over or underrepresent a particular group) and exceeds the mid-double digits*, any issues with sample size would manifest as a large calculated error.
Founded and funded by people and orgs that have a vested interest in this conflict. Like the heritage foundation polling for gay marriage.
The entire Israeli political spectrum is united in blasting Netanyahu for not continuing to attack Iran, and Israeli society agrees. The reason, to put it simply, is that Israelis are war junkies.
Misinformation. There’s literally Israeli Kinesset members that oppose the genocide in Gaza and the war with Iran. They are the minority, but they do exist.
Not to mention the Israeli citizens refusing to enlist in the military, who are sent to prison.
There’s literally Israeli Kinesset members that oppose the genocide in Gaza and the war with Iran.
How many?
At least one
https://www.democracynow.org/2026/3/3/ofer_cassif_knesset_israel_iran_war
Which is enough to mark this article as incredible
“The entire political spectrum” doesn’t mean “every single person ever,” or even “every single politician ever.” The implication is only that the statement applies to all political segments of the population. If the left, right and center (and any other significant political blocs) mostly agree on something, then the whole political spectrum supports it, even if some people don’t.
That’s literally not what it means.
There is people that oppose it. there is politicians that oppose it. The entire political spectrum isn’t discrete. It’s a spectrum. That’s literally what a spectrum means.
The point is not that
∀s∈S∃f(s) and g(s) | f(s)∈[0,1] and g(s)∈[0,1], it’s that∀y∈[0,1]∃h(y)∈SI like your funny words, magic man
you know you finally demonstrated a reasonable use for the keys on the number row (i prefer tenkey for numbers anyways) and coding in logic ascii would be perfect. i just need to make myself some keycaps. and the library with the 3d printer is just a 7 hour bikeride away…
Fwiw, i’m using unknown-keyboard on android. You can add a button for the greek/math symbol layout in the settings.
I understand the hate in the comments, but I think the important part is something else, How can the world deal with a country that only wants to commit genocide with all its neighbors? and not the government, the population in general. What can we do with this? How do we get out of the cycle of violence with people like this?
Denazification of Germany after WW2 is a good example.
Is it a practical example for dealing with a country that is (or at least makes it an open secret that it very probably is) nuclear armed though?
German “denazification” first required complete military defeat and occupation of the German state, that’s not really practical to achieve when the country to be occupied has the option to devastate whatever country it’s fighting as a deterrent/revenge once it concludes defeat is inevitable. As such, what is needed here I think is examples of how to defuse such a situation and push a population away from violence purely through limited conflict, economic pressure, sponsorship of internal dissent, etc
Even pakistan has more nukes then Israel. Israel can’t win a nuclear war
Nobody wins in a nuclear war.
Israel is small and can be fully destroyed with multiple nukes. Big countries especially with nukes could still exists after getting nukes. So the idea that israel would use a nuke on nuclear countries who will sct to end occupation foesn’t look realistic to me
Iran has claimed on many occasions that Israel shouldn’t exist.
Iran is funding groups that target Israeli civilians.
Iran is trying to develop a nuclear bomb.
Most Israelis support a war which would end once Iran will no longer have the means to create and launch a nuclear bomb at them.
So, the obvious conclusion is that Israelis are war junkies.
(edited to add citations and fix a technical term)
Fair enough, but, like, everything?
It’s ok not to know a few things, but if you don’t know the basic facts of why Israel views Iran as a threat, maybe don’t form an opinion?
Anyway, I edited the original message and added citations.
A threat to israel commiting more genocides and settler colonialism
Hasbara bot.
Let’s test that hypothesis - is there anything I can say that will make you think I’m not a bot nor getting paid to post this?
If you’re not a bot or getting paid, you should be. It might be worse if you’re supporting genocide pro-bono.
Now now, that’s not in the the Lemmy spirit. https://lemmy.world/post/45328499
I hope you have to explain yourself to murdered children in the afterlife.
I don’t, those children suffered enough.
(CerealKiller01 would like to take this opportunity to say he doesn’t take lightly the murder of children, but he also doesn’t appreciate using murdered children as a rhetorical device)
“Rhetorical device?”
This is what you’re justifying right now.
Say Israel is a settler colonial power created by ethnically cleansing Palestinians and want to exterminate Palestinians either for religious or ethnic reasons and that Israel should unconditionally end settler colonialism by getting out of the west bank, east Jerusalem, the golan height and shabaa farms
Oh, I get it, you don’t actually think I’m a bot or that I’m payed by the Israeli government for this. a “Hasbara bot” is your way of de-legitimizing anyone who doesn’t fully agree with your stance on Israel. Kinda like the equivalent of “everything I don’t like is woke” for MAGA.
All you did was lying to make look like israel is defending itself agsinst the people it colonize.
Why are you unable to say what i told you to say.
You are acting like colonization being bad is a matter of opinion
Could you quote on lie I said?
(it might also worth pointing out Israel didn’t colonize Iran)
Iran seeking nuclear weapons and israel attscking Iran to defend itself . That’s two dirty lies
Israel said multiple time they would steal lands even feom arab countries that have peace treaties with israel. Israel said multiple time they want to colonize all palestine and to do it they have the destroy Iran. Iarael is the only country doing war of extermination right now
Yes, and if a survey will find that most Palestinians would be for a war with Israel (provided they think a victory is possible), I wouldn’t call them “war junkie”, I’d say “Yeah, I’d feel the same if I were them”.
Actually, that’s not far off - around 72% of Palestinians showed support for Hamas after the attack on Israel on Oct. 7th that resulted in the murder of entire families, acts of abuse and the kidnapping of 251 Israelis, including children and elderly people.
I’m not bringing this up as an excuse for what Israel did, rather because I had this exact conversation with people who used that survey to say the Palestinians are “genocidal maniacs. Just as racist and murderous as the Nazis”.
Israel is the settler colonial power not palestine . They are not the same.Palestinians hate for israelis is do to 57 goddamn year of occupation and 78 goddamn year of ethrnic cleansing and genocide. Israeli hate for Palestine comes from their supermasist genocidal ideology called zionism. Every attack by Hamas is a response to israel either expulsing palestinians, raping and torturing palestinians or the settlers violence.
Palestinians support Hamas disarming only after colonization end
The only nazis are israelis and zionists like you
I see, when Palestinians abuse, rape and kill Israeli civilians it’s ok because they have a moral right to do so, but when Israelis do it it’s because they’re genocidal maniacs.
So… the issue isn’t that Israel is raping and torturing Palestinians, it’s that they don’t have a good enough reason to do so? Who decides what’s a “good enough” reason to commit atrocities, the UN? History? Every person/country for themselves? You?
Also, calling someone a Nazi for saying Israelis aren’t war junkies is a bit unhinged.
Abuse, rape and killing is never accepted. You been ignorinf 78 godamn year of israel doing that. That’s why I support the end of occupation and the “denazification” of Israel unlike people like you who justify settler colonialism by saying palestinians want to kill all israelis too . You the same type of scums who was saying black south african would kill killing white south africans after apartheid end or the scums who would both side the slaves and slave owners after Nat turner groups of slave killed slave owners including children
You are a nazi for both siding the settler colonial power and the victims of the settler colonial power
You also shamelesly lying sbout irsn seeking nukes and act like the Iran on Iran is purely defensive
You seem to be trying to force a straw man of some “zionist” caricature you have without trying to understand what I’m actually saying.
I didn’t say Palestinians want to kill all Israelis. I said that a survey that shows that 72% of Palestinians support atrocities done to Israelis (which is an actual survey that was done by a Palestinian research center) DOES NOT mean they want to kill all Israelis. I literally said I’d feel the same way if I were in their shoes.
I provided a link to the arms control association that states “Iran’s advances included enriching uranium to 60 percent, a level close to weapons-grade that has no practical civilian application, and deploying advanced centrifuges that enrich uranium more efficiently”. These are facts that have been verified, and even Iran’s own head of the Atomic Energy Organization has admitted they have enriched uranium to 60%.
edit: I prefered to focus on one thing at the beginigng, but if anyone is lying it’s the editors of the Mondoweiss. Lapid (and many others) didn’t criticize Netanyahu for agreeing to a ceasefire, rather for "trying to sell the battle in Iran was as a success” and for the poor outcome of the war, the “revolt” pictured in the photograph is from 2023 against the Israeli version of project 2025, and there’s no mention of multiple protests held against the war.
You are the one who used a straw man. I said how Palestinians hate comes from 78 goddamn year of occupation then replied by asking me so you support Palestinians murdering innocent Israelis.
Chris Sidoti UN commissioner agree with me there is no equality between an occupying power and an occupied people. By saying both side are the same they hate each other you are promoting the status quo which is Israel continuing settler colonialism
Iran respected the jcpoa and waited 3 years before enriching to 60% they could have easily enriched to 90% but they didn’t. It is simply a bargaining tool nothing else to deflect from Iran real power which is their conventional missiles and drones project . There is a fatwa prohibiting the creation of nukes. Supreme leaders fatwa are legally binding. Even the usa intelligence said Iran is not seeking nukes. You are just spreading Netanyahu propaganda because you are a dirty Zionist
