America has plenty of Nazis and war junkies, but at least in this particular case, most people are opposing the war.

It is a minor detail. An incredibly minor, insignificant detail. The US and Israel are in this war together

You’re jumping from “The US and Israel are the same” so you can blame Israel on something the US did, and “Israel is worse” when asked why you aren’t judging them equally.

You’re latching on to whatever insignificant detail But if

allows you to defend Israel

If you would actually try to understand what I’m saying, you could see I’m not defending Israel, but defending Israelis.

denounce it’s critics as antisemitic.

I didn’t say you were antisemitic, I said one of your arguments is very close to an argument used by antisemites. I also tried to address said argument regardless, which blows a hole through the argument I’m trying to deflect criticism.

Do Iranians get to be afraid of Israel’s nukes?

Of course they do. And if a survey showed that most Iranians support a war with Israel, I wouldn’t try to paint them as war junkies. I already said as much regarding Palestinians here. Though I have a feeling Iranians are probably more afraid of getting gunned down at a protest or being beaten for not covering their hair. It’s a good thing that isn’t Israels doing, otherwise you’d have to show the same moral outrage for that too.

All parties involved (Iran, the US and Israel) are in this situation because each country is led by corrupt idiots, religious nuts and egomaniacs that think using violence will help them stay in power. From those three, I give Iranians the most credit because they at least didn’t vote for their psychos.

My turn to ask a question - What rights do the Jewish people get as far as living in a sovereign country? Or is any act of violence against any Jewish Israeli is justified? Before you’ll try to twist my question - I’m not saying Israel is free to do anything, just asking if you think it’s free to do something.

You lost every ounce of credibility the moment you dropped that “blood libel” accusation.

Please point out any credibility you were willing to give me before.

Israel and the US are birds of a feather.

Oh, I must have missed all the comments calling every America a nation comprised entirely of Nazis and war junkies, let me double check… no, still can’t find them. Weird.

Now I’m criticizing Israel’s role and you’re trying to blame the US.

No, what you’re now doing is throwing insults at me. There’s no actual criticism, you just decided Israelis are demons from hell, and are enraged someone is trying to show they’re human beings.

You’re just playing debatebro

I’m disagreeing with the conclusion of the opinion piece this post is about and trying to have a normal talk about it in order to understand how you view things.

and latching onto whatever bullshit you can find

You’ve shown a picture of a bombing made by the US and are blaming it on Israel. It’s not some small minor detail.

to try to label me as antisemitic

I really wasn’t, I was giving you a chance to correct yourself. All you had to say was “OK, that was the fault of the US, my bad for mislabeling the image. Of course I wasn’t trying to say Israel is controlling the US”. Maybe throw in a “That said, Israel has also bombed schools and hospitals”. Granted, that takes a bit more effort than calling me a Nazi for the 14th time and would require you to have just a smidge of self criticism.

no one wants you here.

Right, God forbid you might encounter a different opinion. Don’t forget to make fun of Republicans for being willfully stuck in an echo chamber.

I didn’t say Israel didn’t do anything wrong or that it’s all the Palestinians fault. I just said the reason Israelis want to destroy Iran’s missile and nuclear programs is mainly because they are genuinely afraid Iran is developing said programs to be used against them, and that fear isn’t unreasonable. You’re acting like even considering this possibility is the same as being pro-genocide.

Show citations that:

1. Iran can get to 90% within three weeks.

2. That is the only thing stopping Iran from building a nuclear bomb.

3. Iran had the means to launch a nuclear bomb at Israel.

4. That is the only thing stopping Iran from being able to actually hit Israel with a nuclear bomb (hint: Israel has some experience at stopping Iranian missiles).

5. Iran views a nuclear bomb as their only option of annihilating Israel at this moment.

If iran plan was to build a nuke and enrich to 90% american and israeli inteligence would have known about it.

I don’t know that they don’t know about it. You’re the one who said that the US intelligence believe Iran isn’t aiming to build a nuke, but didn’t provide any source to that claim. And if they did know about it, you would have called it speculation, like you did to the same statement that was brought up in you own citation that has also been made by experts in their field.

Also, why should we stop at 90%? If tomorrow we’ll find proof Iran has enriched to 90%, you could claim “Well, they just enriched to 90% as a negotiation tool. Now they’re putting the uranium in a bomb only as a negotiation tool. Look, they’re putting the bomb on a missile as a negotiation tool, they clearly don’t plan to actually use it. Now they’re doing a countdown as a negotiation tool. Don’t worry, they launched the missile, but it’s just a tool to speed negotiations, they’ll overshoot Israel and the missile will harmlessly hit the ocean”.

By your logic, no one has any plan to do anything if they have the technical means to do so but didn’t do it. Except even then you have a factual mistake, as 90% enriched uranium isn’t the only thing Iran lacks to launch a nuclear missile.

Oh, and your claim is somewhat self-contradictory - If it’s so clear Iran is enriching uranium as a negotiation tactic, doesn’t that make the tactic pointless? Like, if I’m negotiating with someone and I make a claim that I clearly know the other side knows is false, how does that help my case? That’s like Trump level negotiations, and Iran isn’t that dumb.

Do you Zionazis not have another line?

I have plenty of them, like, as I said earlier, the fact that Israel didn’t bomb that school. It’s just that you chose to comment only on that one.

It would have taken 3 weeks to build a nuke. They did not. That’s the only fact

OK, and your own source state that “fact” where…?

And why are you disregarding things that have been clearly stated in your source that disagree with you?

Also, by that logic, since it would have taken Israel a few weeks to murder the entire Palestinian population in Gaza and they did not, any claim that there’s a genocide in Gaza is wrong.

The school in Iran was bombed by the US, and while I don’t deny the IDF has done similar things (and I’m honestly not condoning them for it), blaming this specific bombing on Israel it very close to a blood libel.

Assuming you’re from the US, this is more on you for electing Trump.

Dude, that’s hilarious, your own source disagrees with your conclusion:

“Iran has no civilian use or justification for its production of 60 percent enriched uranium, particularly at the level of hundreds of kilograms. Its rush to make much more, quickly depleting its stock of near 20 percent enriched uranium, which has a civilian use in research reactors, raises more questions. Even if one believed the production of 60 percent is to create bargaining leverage in a nuclear negotiation, Iran has gone way beyond what would be needed. One has to conclude that Iran’s real intent is to be prepared to produce large quantities of WGU as quickly as possible, in as few centrifuges as possible.”

Not surprisingly, and in its understated style, the IAEA reiterated in this most recent report: “The significantly increased production and accumulation of highly enriched uranium by Iran, the only non-nuclear-weapon State to produce such nuclear material, is of serious concern.”"

Yes, yes, I know - zionazi, lies, Netanyahu etc.

If that’s a photo of what your implying, I sincerely hope the family allowed for it to be used like this.

My guess is that you have no idea and the thought didn’t cross your mind.

They was at 60% for years

The Arms control association seems at the very least as a good starting off source. If you disagree with their assessment, feel free to link to other sources. I’m sure you’ll get on it right after the citation about the American intelligence.

You just a zionazi who repeat Netenyahu lies

Right, I’m the one just repeating things mindlessly. On an unrelated note, calling me Nazi Zionist colonialist liar for 10 times didn’t really get you anywhere, but I have a good feeling about the 11th time.

I don’t, those children suffered enough.

(CerealKiller01 would like to take this opportunity to say he doesn’t take lightly the murder of children, but he also doesn’t appreciate using murdered children as a rhetorical device)

Now now, that’s not in the the Lemmy spirit. https://lemmy.world/post/45328499

Your source did not say iran was seeking a nuke.

You’re right, it said “Iran’s advances included enriching uranium to 60 percent, a level close to weapons-grade that has no practical civilian application, and deploying advanced centrifuges that enrich uranium more efficiently.” They’re probably just doing it as a prank. Maybe they’ll open the centrifuges and fake snakes will pop out of them.

American inteligence

Look, I gave several links to my claims. At the very least try and provide a source instead of repeating the same things.

fatwa by the sepreame leader himself

Oh, awesome, the supreme leader of Iran pinky swore Iran isn’t building a bomb.

I back up the nuclear weapons claim with a reputable source, and never said Israel attacked Iran in self defense (What I said was it’s reasonable for Israelis to support a war with Iran without being war junkies)

I’m a bit surprised that on two (or is it three?) separate occasions I said I’d feel the way Palestinians feel towards Israel, and you still insist I think they’re bloodthirsty for no reason.

Could you quote on lie I said?

(it might also worth pointing out Israel didn’t colonize Iran)

Oh, I get it, you don’t actually think I’m a bot or that I’m payed by the Israeli government for this. a “Hasbara bot” is your way of de-legitimizing anyone who doesn’t fully agree with your stance on Israel. Kinda like the equivalent of “everything I don’t like is woke” for MAGA.

First of all, I congratulate you for de-escalating from Nazi to dirty Zionist.

Take a second to look at the context of the conversion:

Me: Just because the war against Iran has high approval rate doesn’t mean Israelis are war junkies. By that logic, Palestinians are terror junkies for supporting Hamas.

You: “Every attack by Hamas is a response to israel”

Me: “So… the issue isn’t that Israel is raping and torturing Palestinians, it’s that they don’t have a good enough reason to do so?”

You: Outright ignoring the atrocities done by Hamas and putting the blame on Israel, and then saying I used a straw man.

Please answer the question - Do Palestinians have the right to murder, torture and kidnap Israelis?

I’m not ignoring what’s been done to the Palestinian people, which is why I understand their hate towards Israel.

they could have easily enriched to 90% but they didn’t.

https://xkcd.com/285/

You seem to be trying to force a straw man of some “zionist” caricature you have without trying to understand what I’m actually saying.

I didn’t say Palestinians want to kill all Israelis. I said that a survey that shows that 72% of Palestinians support atrocities done to Israelis (which is an actual survey that was done by a Palestinian research center) DOES NOT mean they want to kill all Israelis. I literally said I’d feel the same way if I were in their shoes.

I provided a link to the arms control association that states “Iran’s advances included enriching uranium to 60 percent, a level close to weapons-grade that has no practical civilian application, and deploying advanced centrifuges that enrich uranium more efficiently”. These are facts that have been verified, and even Iran’s own head of the Atomic Energy Organization has admitted they have enriched uranium to 60%.

edit: I prefered to focus on one thing at the beginigng, but if anyone is lying it’s the editors of the Mondoweiss. Lapid (and many others) didn’t criticize Netanyahu for agreeing to a ceasefire, rather for "trying to sell the battle in Iran was as a success” and for the poor outcome of the war, the “revolt” pictured in the photograph is from 2023 against the Israeli version of project 2025, and there’s no mention of multiple protests held against the war.

I see, when Palestinians abuse, rape and kill Israeli civilians it’s ok because they have a moral right to do so, but when Israelis do it it’s because they’re genocidal maniacs.

So… the issue isn’t that Israel is raping and torturing Palestinians, it’s that they don’t have a good enough reason to do so? Who decides what’s a “good enough” reason to commit atrocities, the UN? History? Every person/country for themselves? You?

Also, calling someone a Nazi for saying Israelis aren’t war junkies is a bit unhinged.

Yes, and if a survey will find that most Palestinians would be for a war with Israel (provided they think a victory is possible), I wouldn’t call them “war junkie”, I’d say “Yeah, I’d feel the same if I were them”.

Actually, that’s not far off - around 72% of Palestinians showed support for Hamas after the attack on Israel on Oct. 7th that resulted in the murder of entire families, acts of abuse and the kidnapping of 251 Israelis, including children and elderly people.

I’m not bringing this up as an excuse for what Israel did, rather because I had this exact conversation with people who used that survey to say the Palestinians are “genocidal maniacs. Just as racist and murderous as the Nazis”.