The entire Israeli political spectrum is united in blasting Netanyahu for not continuing to attack Iran, and Israeli society agrees. The reason, to put it simply, is that Israelis are war junkies.
The entire Israeli political spectrum is united in blasting Netanyahu for not continuing to attack Iran, and Israeli society agrees. The reason, to put it simply, is that Israelis are war junkies.
(CerealKiller01 would like to take this opportunity to say he doesn’t take lightly the murder of children, but he also doesn’t appreciate using murdered children as a rhetorical device)
Say Israel is a settler colonial power created by ethnically cleansing Palestinians and want to exterminate Palestinians either for religious or ethnic reasons and that Israel should unconditionally end settler colonialism by getting out of the west bank, east Jerusalem, the golan height and shabaa farms
Oh, I get it, you don’t actually think I’m a bot or that I’m payed by the Israeli government for this. a “Hasbara bot” is your way of de-legitimizing anyone who doesn’t fully agree with your stance on Israel. Kinda like the equivalent of “everything I don’t like is woke” for MAGA.
I back up the nuclear weapons claim with a reputable source, and never said Israel attacked Iran in self defense (What I said was it’s reasonable for Israelis to support a war with Iran without being war junkies)
Israel said multiple time they would steal lands even feom arab countries that have peace treaties with israel. Israel said multiple time they want to colonize all palestine and to do it they have the destroy Iran. Iarael is the only country doing war of extermination right now
Yes, and if a survey will find that most Palestinians would be for a war with Israel (provided they think a victory is possible), I wouldn’t call them “war junkie”, I’d say “Yeah, I’d feel the same if I were them”.
Actually, that’s not far off - around 72% of Palestinians showed support for Hamas after the attack on Israel on Oct. 7th that resulted in the murder of entire families, acts of abuse and the kidnapping of 251 Israelis, including children and elderly people.
I’m not bringing this up as an excuse for what Israel did, rather because I had this exact conversation with people who used that survey to say the Palestinians are “genocidal maniacs. Just as racist and murderous as the Nazis”.
Israel is the settler colonial power not palestine . They are not the same.Palestinians hate for israelis is do to 57 goddamn year of occupation and 78 goddamn year of ethrnic cleansing and genocide. Israeli hate for Palestine comes from their supermasist genocidal ideology called zionism. Every attack by Hamas is a response to israel either expulsing palestinians, raping and torturing palestinians or the settlers violence.
Palestinians support Hamas disarming only after colonization end
I see, when Palestinians abuse, rape and kill Israeli civilians it’s ok because they have a moral right to do so, but when Israelis do it it’s because they’re genocidal maniacs.
So… the issue isn’t that Israel is raping and torturing Palestinians, it’s that they don’t have a good enough reason to do so? Who decides what’s a “good enough” reason to commit atrocities, the UN? History? Every person/country for themselves? You?
Also, calling someone a Nazi for saying Israelis aren’t war junkies is a bit unhinged.
Abuse, rape and killing is never accepted. You been ignorinf 78 godamn year of israel doing that. That’s why I support the end of occupation and the “denazification” of Israel unlike people like you who justify settler colonialism by saying palestinians want to kill all israelis too . You the same type of scums who was saying black south african would kill killing white south africans after apartheid end or the scums who would both side the slaves and slave owners after Nat turner groups of slave killed slave owners including children
You are a nazi for both siding the settler colonial power and the victims of the settler colonial power
You also shamelesly lying sbout irsn seeking nukes and act like the Iran on Iran is purely defensive
You seem to be trying to force a straw man of some “zionist” caricature you have without trying to understand what I’m actually saying.
I didn’t say Palestinians want to kill all Israelis. I said that a survey that shows that 72% of Palestinians support atrocities done to Israelis (which is an actual survey that was done by a Palestinian research center) DOES NOT mean they want to kill all Israelis. I literally said I’d feel the same way if I were in their shoes.
I provided a link to the arms control association that states “Iran’s advances included enriching uranium to 60 percent, a level close to weapons-grade that has no practical civilian application, and deploying advanced centrifuges that enrich uranium more efficiently”. These are facts that have been verified, and even Iran’s own head of the Atomic Energy Organization has admitted they have enriched uranium to 60%.
edit: I prefered to focus on one thing at the beginigng, but if anyone is lying it’s the editors of the Mondoweiss. Lapid (and many others) didn’t criticize Netanyahu for agreeing to a ceasefire, rather for "trying to sell the battle in Iran was as a success” and for the poor outcome of the war, the “revolt” pictured in the photograph is from 2023 against the Israeli version of project 2025, and there’s no mention of multiple protests held against the war.
You are the one who used a straw man. I said how Palestinians hate comes from 78 goddamn year of occupation then replied by asking me so you support Palestinians murdering innocent Israelis.
Chris Sidoti UN commissioner agree with me there is no equality between an occupying power and an occupied people. By saying both side are the same they hate each other you are promoting the status quo which is Israel continuing settler colonialism
Iran respected the jcpoa and waited 3 years before enriching to 60% they could have easily enriched to 90% but they didn’t. It is simply a bargaining tool nothing else to deflect from Iran real power which is their conventional missiles and drones project . There is a fatwa prohibiting the creation of nukes. Supreme leaders fatwa are legally binding. Even the usa intelligence said Iran is not seeking nukes. You are just spreading Netanyahu propaganda because you are a dirty Zionist
First of all, I congratulate you for de-escalating from Nazi to dirty Zionist.
Take a second to look at the context of the conversion:
Me: Just because the war against Iran has high approval rate doesn’t mean Israelis are war junkies. By that logic, Palestinians are terror junkies for supporting Hamas.
You: “Every attack by Hamas is a response to israel”
Me: “So… the issue isn’t that Israel is raping and torturing Palestinians, it’s that they don’t have a good enough reason to do so?”
You: Outright ignoring the atrocities done by Hamas and putting the blame on Israel, and then saying I used a straw man.
Please answer the question - Do Palestinians have the right to murder, torture and kidnap Israelis?
I’m not ignoring what’s been done to the Palestinian people, which is why I understand their hate towards Israel.
they could have easily enriched to 90% but they didn’t.
The entire Israeli political spectrum is united in blasting Netanyahu for not continuing to attack Iran, and Israeli society agrees. The reason, to put it simply, is that Israelis are war junkies.
Iran has claimed on many occasions that Israel shouldn’t exist.
Iran is funding groups that target Israeli civilians.
Iran used its missile program to launch
splittingcluster warheads on Israel to maximize civilian casualties.Iran is trying to develop a nuclear bomb.
Most Israelis support a war which would end once Iran will no longer have the means to create and launch a nuclear bomb at them.
So, the obvious conclusion is that Israelis are war junkies.
(edited to add citations and fix a technical term)
Hasbara bot.
Let’s test that hypothesis - is there anything I can say that will make you think I’m not a bot nor getting paid to post this?
If you’re not a bot or getting paid, you should be. It might be worse if you’re supporting genocide pro-bono.
Now now, that’s not in the the Lemmy spirit. https://lemmy.world/post/45328499
I hope you have to explain yourself to murdered children in the afterlife.
I don’t, those children suffered enough.
(CerealKiller01 would like to take this opportunity to say he doesn’t take lightly the murder of children, but he also doesn’t appreciate using murdered children as a rhetorical device)
“Rhetorical device?”
This is what you’re justifying right now.
If that’s a photo of what your implying, I sincerely hope the family allowed for it to be used like this.
My guess is that you have no idea and the thought didn’t cross your mind.
Say Israel is a settler colonial power created by ethnically cleansing Palestinians and want to exterminate Palestinians either for religious or ethnic reasons and that Israel should unconditionally end settler colonialism by getting out of the west bank, east Jerusalem, the golan height and shabaa farms
Oh, I get it, you don’t actually think I’m a bot or that I’m payed by the Israeli government for this. a “Hasbara bot” is your way of de-legitimizing anyone who doesn’t fully agree with your stance on Israel. Kinda like the equivalent of “everything I don’t like is woke” for MAGA.
All you did was lying to make look like israel is defending itself agsinst the people it colonize.
Why are you unable to say what i told you to say.
You are acting like colonization being bad is a matter of opinion
Could you quote on lie I said?
(it might also worth pointing out Israel didn’t colonize Iran)
Iran seeking nuclear weapons and israel attscking Iran to defend itself . That’s two dirty lies
I back up the nuclear weapons claim with a reputable source, and never said Israel attacked Iran in self defense (What I said was it’s reasonable for Israelis to support a war with Iran without being war junkies)
https://xkcd.com/285/
Fair enough, but, like, everything?
It’s ok not to know a few things, but if you don’t know the basic facts of why Israel views Iran as a threat, maybe don’t form an opinion?
Anyway, I edited the original message and added citations.
A threat to israel commiting more genocides and settler colonialism
Israel said multiple time they would steal lands even feom arab countries that have peace treaties with israel. Israel said multiple time they want to colonize all palestine and to do it they have the destroy Iran. Iarael is the only country doing war of extermination right now
Yes, and if a survey will find that most Palestinians would be for a war with Israel (provided they think a victory is possible), I wouldn’t call them “war junkie”, I’d say “Yeah, I’d feel the same if I were them”.
Actually, that’s not far off - around 72% of Palestinians showed support for Hamas after the attack on Israel on Oct. 7th that resulted in the murder of entire families, acts of abuse and the kidnapping of 251 Israelis, including children and elderly people.
I’m not bringing this up as an excuse for what Israel did, rather because I had this exact conversation with people who used that survey to say the Palestinians are “genocidal maniacs. Just as racist and murderous as the Nazis”.
Israel is the settler colonial power not palestine . They are not the same.Palestinians hate for israelis is do to 57 goddamn year of occupation and 78 goddamn year of ethrnic cleansing and genocide. Israeli hate for Palestine comes from their supermasist genocidal ideology called zionism. Every attack by Hamas is a response to israel either expulsing palestinians, raping and torturing palestinians or the settlers violence.
Palestinians support Hamas disarming only after colonization end
The only nazis are israelis and zionists like you
I see, when Palestinians abuse, rape and kill Israeli civilians it’s ok because they have a moral right to do so, but when Israelis do it it’s because they’re genocidal maniacs.
So… the issue isn’t that Israel is raping and torturing Palestinians, it’s that they don’t have a good enough reason to do so? Who decides what’s a “good enough” reason to commit atrocities, the UN? History? Every person/country for themselves? You?
Also, calling someone a Nazi for saying Israelis aren’t war junkies is a bit unhinged.
Abuse, rape and killing is never accepted. You been ignorinf 78 godamn year of israel doing that. That’s why I support the end of occupation and the “denazification” of Israel unlike people like you who justify settler colonialism by saying palestinians want to kill all israelis too . You the same type of scums who was saying black south african would kill killing white south africans after apartheid end or the scums who would both side the slaves and slave owners after Nat turner groups of slave killed slave owners including children
You are a nazi for both siding the settler colonial power and the victims of the settler colonial power
You also shamelesly lying sbout irsn seeking nukes and act like the Iran on Iran is purely defensive
You seem to be trying to force a straw man of some “zionist” caricature you have without trying to understand what I’m actually saying.
I didn’t say Palestinians want to kill all Israelis. I said that a survey that shows that 72% of Palestinians support atrocities done to Israelis (which is an actual survey that was done by a Palestinian research center) DOES NOT mean they want to kill all Israelis. I literally said I’d feel the same way if I were in their shoes.
I provided a link to the arms control association that states “Iran’s advances included enriching uranium to 60 percent, a level close to weapons-grade that has no practical civilian application, and deploying advanced centrifuges that enrich uranium more efficiently”. These are facts that have been verified, and even Iran’s own head of the Atomic Energy Organization has admitted they have enriched uranium to 60%.
edit: I prefered to focus on one thing at the beginigng, but if anyone is lying it’s the editors of the Mondoweiss. Lapid (and many others) didn’t criticize Netanyahu for agreeing to a ceasefire, rather for "trying to sell the battle in Iran was as a success” and for the poor outcome of the war, the “revolt” pictured in the photograph is from 2023 against the Israeli version of project 2025, and there’s no mention of multiple protests held against the war.
You are the one who used a straw man. I said how Palestinians hate comes from 78 goddamn year of occupation then replied by asking me so you support Palestinians murdering innocent Israelis.
Chris Sidoti UN commissioner agree with me there is no equality between an occupying power and an occupied people. By saying both side are the same they hate each other you are promoting the status quo which is Israel continuing settler colonialism
Iran respected the jcpoa and waited 3 years before enriching to 60% they could have easily enriched to 90% but they didn’t. It is simply a bargaining tool nothing else to deflect from Iran real power which is their conventional missiles and drones project . There is a fatwa prohibiting the creation of nukes. Supreme leaders fatwa are legally binding. Even the usa intelligence said Iran is not seeking nukes. You are just spreading Netanyahu propaganda because you are a dirty Zionist
First of all, I congratulate you for de-escalating from Nazi to dirty Zionist.
Take a second to look at the context of the conversion:
Me: Just because the war against Iran has high approval rate doesn’t mean Israelis are war junkies. By that logic, Palestinians are terror junkies for supporting Hamas.
You: “Every attack by Hamas is a response to israel”
Me: “So… the issue isn’t that Israel is raping and torturing Palestinians, it’s that they don’t have a good enough reason to do so?”
You: Outright ignoring the atrocities done by Hamas and putting the blame on Israel, and then saying I used a straw man.
Please answer the question - Do Palestinians have the right to murder, torture and kidnap Israelis?
I’m not ignoring what’s been done to the Palestinian people, which is why I understand their hate towards Israel.
https://xkcd.com/285/