• billwashere@lemmy.world
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    I was totally thinking Vance had raped the Pope from the title… and then had to check for an onion.

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      Which seems totally congruent with a lot of religious people since they like being marketed and lied to.

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    Mike Johnson is not Catholic. He’s a Christian Nationalist Protestant Evangelical piece of shit. They don’t even have to pretend to give a fuck about the Pope.

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    A pontiff or any religious leader can say anything they want, but obviously if you wade into political waters, I think you should expect some political response and I think the pope has received some of that.

    The actual quote.

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      A man under a tent with the words prove me wrong written on it while arguing against gun control getting shot was definitely the definition of asking for it.

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        They’re split on that. I have family members who are white fundie evangelicals, and about a third of them I’ve spoken to regard Catholics as Christians, though they have doctrinal differences with them.

        The other two-thirds are insane MAGA bigots who believe everyone’s going to hell but themselves, and any sign of human decency is sinful. We don’t hang out much.

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        The Catholic Chick Tract is my third favorite one after D&D and the one blaming the Nazis on Catholics.

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          I got so much bizarre shit from some protestants growing up catholic. That’s the sanest variant. There was also accusations of not being a Christian and of being a Satanist. Hell, I still occasionally hear protestants say Catholics aren’t Christians

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    Yeah a lot of u.s Christians don’t consider Catholics as Christians but more like a Jew or Muslim. No joke.

    Catholics are not real Christians because they worship Mary and saints.

    That’s what Ive heard repeated by baptists.

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      I’m not Christian (or religious), but I wouldn’t classify the US evangelicals as Christians. Maybe some kind of neo Christians or something, but they’ve drifted very far from the concepts of that religion.

      As for Mormons, I don’t even know what they are, some kind of wacky fan fiction that isn’t canon by anyone’s measure, so they’re definitely in their own category.

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      Yeah I got that from time to time growing up. And as mentioned elsewhere, treating Catholics as not really American. Also got called a devil worshipper about it sometimes.

      I left the church over several fundamental issues including women’s rights and queer rights, but I’m still partial to it even though I’m pagan these days. I still can’t fucking stand Baptists.

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      Yeah a lot of u.s Christians don’t consider Catholics as Christians but more like a Jew or Muslim. No joke.

      Believing that there are intermediaries between a person and the deity is complete anathema to any kind of Muslim (well, there used to be some veneration of Sufi saints, but they didn’t pray for them to intercede). The Jewish religion is also strictly monotheistic, honors its prophets but doesn’t ask them for help.

      Catholics are not real Christians because they worship Mary and saints.

      All non-Protestant Christians (Orthodox, Coptic, Nestorian, etc) ask Mary and the saints for a kind word to the Guy Upstairs. Some Protestants even do it, though in a toned-down way compared to Roman Catholics. And it’s not quite worship, more veneration, though extreme RC manifestations of the cult of Mary might be an exception. Not that fundies can handle nuance. They’re people who don’t believe communion involved actual wine, that material wealth is a reward from God (with contorted fanfic trying to explain away the proverb of the camel and the eye of a needle), that having any sort of images or things of beauty in a church is idolatry (another belief shared with extremist Muslims), that the King James Bible is God’s inerrant word (despite its dodgy sourcing, occasionally shoddy translation, and obolete English usage that fundies don’t understand) and that their weird 19th-century heretical fractally schismatic sect somehow preserves the practices of the early Christians.

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      Yeah, I don’t think many catholics realize how close they are to the top of the list after Muslims, gays, and trans people. Atheists might be ahead of Catholics but honestly it might be a wash. Protestants seriously hate them, I got fed a steady drip of anti-Catholic sentiment as a baby Calvinist here in BC.

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        As someone who grew up catholic, I really don’t know how. Catholic school was very clear about how right wing populism in the US was frequently super anti catholic to the point of hate crimes. And it’s not like protestants are great at hiding the contempt

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        If you want to know what Calvin was about, look into histories of the time when his followers imposed their insane misrule on Geneva. There were levels of fanaticism and totalitarianism that make the Taliban look like reasonable people, people being burned alive over micro-level sectarian grudges, corruption and extreme incompetence.

    • Some years ago I would have laughed at the idea that the pope could be on any side of this but the wrong side. Then I found out just how stupendously, stupidly evil evil can get. I’m not laughing now.

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    These guys messing with the Pope is hilarious. I dont even do religion and I know this is gonna be fun. Are they going for the Henry the 8th method?

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      I thought they were reactionaries in the “bring back the 1950’s” sense, but they really want to bring back the 1500’s. Mike is going to post his theses on supply side economics and neocon warfare on the front door of the St Louis Cathedral in NOLA.

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        I thought they were reactionaries in the “bring back the 1950’s” sense, but they really want to bring back the 1500’s.

        Always have been. The notion that “conservatives” wanted to “conserve” anything but oligarchy (or literal monarchy, if they can get away with it) has never been anything but a lie to swindle the rubes.