• Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
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      22 days ago

      That account has been posting consistently for 3 years.

      Is it easier to just call every leftist a bot than confront the fact that people like Chuck Schumer and Hakime Jefferies do not want what we want and are going to fight us just as hard as any republican?

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        What does the age of the account have to do with the timing and frequency of posts? Posting the same talking points for years on end like they’re being paid to do it is exactly what I would expect from a bot.

        Chuck Schumer and Hakime Jefferies do not want what we want

        Who’s “we”? Democrats have won the majority of nation wide elections since the 90s.

        Leftists can’t even beat AIPAC candidates in the primaries.

        Leftists don’t speak for voters.

        Voters aren’t voting for leftists.

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          Who’s “we”?

          Every American who isn’t a billionaire

          The dems lost to Donald fucking Trump, twice, because they prefered losing to giving the people scraps.

          Leftists don’t speak for voters.

          Leftist policy helps the people who you are asking to vote for you. Typical dem policy helps nobody except the dem’s billionaire donors. Free Healthcare for example is infinitely more popular than any means-tested, market-based solution guys like Jeffreys would accept.

          Leftists can’t even beat AIPAC candidates in the primaries.

          We don’t have billions of dollars in military-industrial complex funding behind us.

          Do you think that means the AIPAC candidates are more electable in a general or that even if they did win, their polucy would be in our interest?

          What does the age of the account have to do with the timing and frequency of posts?

          They’ve been posting constantly.

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              My only interest is getting republicans and Trump out of office because nothing else is possible until that happens.

              Clearly. You seem to be willing to change nothing else in the process as well. I personally think we’re collectively past status quo and bandaids. Things need to change, and change fucking drastically, or we’ll just get another Trump again in the near future. Our politics are deeply corrupt and you cannot expect those of us not dunking our heads in the kool-aid to be chill with neoliberal oligarchy.

              Punch left all you like, all you’re doing is engaging in the neoliberal past time of being an aloof loser.

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                Not only will we get another version of trump they will be worse than think one, constantly testing the limits of government

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                Neoliberals haven’t been losing elections… leftists have.

                Republicans are deeply corrupt. Private interest groups will forever be trying to influence all politicians. For example, progressives like Fetterman and Sinema.

                That won’t change until citizens untied is undone. Leftists aren’t immune to it and pretending that it indicates “both sides r same” is a bad faith argument that the GOP has been using for decades.

                Both parties do not have the same goals and just because private interest groups will never stop trying to influence them doesn’t mean the parties themselves have the same goals.

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                  Neoliberals haven’t been losing elections… leftists have.

                  Big laugh from this. This country is locked into a two party system and one of them unfortunately isn’t “leftist”. Same with a bunch of other political ideologies.

                  Either way, taking the stance of “you’re losers, so you better vote for us” is really convincing, just sayin. If you want leftists to vote dem like they are a monolith, then dems have to act like a monolith and not like a bucket catching scraps.

                  Both parties do not have the same goals and just because private interest groups will never stop trying to influence them doesn’t mean the parties themselves have the same goals.

                  They take money from the same oligarchs. They hide donor sources through superpacs. They trade stocks with government intel. They harbor incredible resentment for the poor. They throw our tax dollars at bombs used to kill children. How exactly are their goals that different?

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                    Either way, taking the stance of “you’re losers, so you better vote for us” is really convincing, just sayin. If you want leftists to vote dem like they are a monolith

                    This is a democracy. If leftists are losing then it is because they are unpopular with voters. If leftists want to change that it is up to them. Historically they find and excuse not to vote every election which is why the government has moved right.

                    Leftists always take this “our way or the highway” stance and look all pikachu faced when voters choose the highway.

                    If you really can’t tell the difference between the goals of the two parties then you are intentionally not looking.

                    Republicans want to make it illegal to be trans while dems have trans politicians fighting for trans rights. This is just one of many blatantly obvious differences that you pretend don’t exist so you can continue your bad faith argument if “both sides same”.

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              Obama tried to lay the groundwork for single payer health insurance but it was blocked by republicans

              He was blocked by 40 republican senators? A parliamentarian? Crazy how republicans are never blocked like this. The only conclusion we can draw from dem actions is that they agree with genocide, ICE, allocating healthcare by wealth, etc, but know its unpopular with the people whose votes they’re asking for.

              My only interest is getting republicans and Trump out of office because nothing else is possible until that happens.

              You know what doesn’t help? Telling people to shut the fuck up and vote for a party that openly despises them.

              You know what can help? Keeping people activated on their issues. This only works if the dems don’t stand up to their own base.

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                Crazy how republicans never are never blocked like this.

                Because republicans are more influenced by private interest groups. It’s crazy that you point this out yourself but need it explained to you.

                You know what doesn’t help? Telling people to shut the fuck up and vote for a party that openly despises them

                Leftists are the only ones using this type of rhetoric which is why they are so unpopular with voters.

                You know what can help? Keeping people activated on their issues. This only works if the dems don’t stand up to their own base.

                You mean like Fetterman and Sinema? How bout we blame all leftists for their actions the same way you try to scapegoat democrats for the actions of republicans.

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                  Because republicans are more influenced by private interest groups

                  You’re saying being influenced by private influence groups is what allows republicans to use power to do things? This doesn’t track.

                  Leftists are the only ones using this type of rhetoric which is why they are so unpopular with voters.

                  What?

                  You mean like Fetterman and Sinema? How bout we blame all leftists for their actions the same way you try to scapegoat democrats for the actions of republicans.

                  When dems have the power to stop a thing, and don’t, this implies they agree with the thing. When dems continue republican policies after they take power, it implies they support that policy.

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                    You’re saying being influenced by private influence groups is what allows republicans to use power to do things? This doesn’t track.

                    Of course… if republicans want to cut taxes for the rich then special interest groups will run propaganda to convince voters to support it.

                    If republicans want to run an oil pipeline through our water supply then special interests groups will bribe and manipulate the right people to make it happen. Going so far as to ignore science and convince their voters climate change isn’t real.

                    What?

                    No one is telling leftists to “shut the fuck up” and vote for dems.

                    What is actually happening is leftists are demanding their way or the highway and voters are pointing out the fact that leftists aren’t popular enough to win nationwide elections and not voting will just cause the government to move right.

                    Since most leftists don’t actually care about winning elections as much as complaining about dems, leftist choose to let the government slide further right.

                    In a democracy the majority decides. And when that happens leftist complain they’re being told to “shut the fuck up”.

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          When people complain off-season: You’re damaging our chances!

          During season: Now’s not the time!

          It’s egocentric to complain people are pushing for alternatives want to hurt our nation, *while the people complaining demanding the same things that brought us from center to far right, since FDR.

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          You are in a communist space, communists don’t vote for your right wing POS neoliberals. Your arrogance sounds like you are proud to be supporting people that hate you