My only interest is getting republicans and Trump out of office because nothing else is possible until that happens.
Clearly. You seem to be willing to change nothing else in the process as well. I personally think we’re collectively past status quo and bandaids. Things need to change, and change fucking drastically, or we’ll just get another Trump again in the near future. Our politics are deeply corrupt and you cannot expect those of us not dunking our heads in the kool-aid to be chill with neoliberal oligarchy.
Punch left all you like, all you’re doing is engaging in the neoliberal past time of being an aloof loser.
Neoliberals haven’t been losing elections… leftists have.
Republicans are deeply corrupt. Private interest groups will forever be trying to influence all politicians. For example, progressives like Fetterman and Sinema.
That won’t change until citizens untied is undone. Leftists aren’t immune to it and pretending that it indicates “both sides r same” is a bad faith argument that the GOP has been using for decades.
Both parties do not have the same goals and just because private interest groups will never stop trying to influence them doesn’t mean the parties themselves have the same goals.
Neoliberals haven’t been losing elections… leftists have.
Big laugh from this. This country is locked into a two party system and one of them unfortunately isn’t “leftist”. Same with a bunch of other political ideologies.
Either way, taking the stance of “you’re losers, so you better vote for us” is really convincing, just sayin. If you want leftists to vote dem like they are a monolith, then dems have to act like a monolith and not like a bucket catching scraps.
Both parties do not have the same goals and just because private interest groups will never stop trying to influence them doesn’t mean the parties themselves have the same goals.
They take money from the same oligarchs. They hide donor sources through superpacs. They trade stocks with government intel. They harbor incredible resentment for the poor. They throw our tax dollars at bombs used to kill children. How exactly are their goals that different?
Either way, taking the stance of “you’re losers, so you better vote for us” is really convincing, just sayin. If you want leftists to vote dem like they are a monolith
This is a democracy. If leftists are losing then it is because they are unpopular with voters. If leftists want to change that it is up to them. Historically they find and excuse not to vote every election which is why the government has moved right.
Leftists always take this “our way or the highway” stance and look all pikachu faced when voters choose the highway.
If you really can’t tell the difference between the goals of the two parties then you are intentionally not looking.
Republicans want to make it illegal to be trans while dems have trans politicians fighting for trans rights. This is just one of many blatantly obvious differences that you pretend don’t exist so you can continue your bad faith argument if “both sides same”.
Republicans want to make it illegal to be trans while dems have trans politicians fighting for trans rights. This is just one of many blatantly obvious differences that you pretend don’t exist so you can continue your bad faith argument if “both sides same”.
Boy, I sure do love being a cudgel to beat dissenters with when they disagree with the Neoliberal party. Tell me that my life is contingent on the machine continuing to threaten me constantly while nothing is done to solve the systemic issues that allowed this insane shit to happen. Meanwhile, you take the success of leftists in the Dem caucus and hold them up as examples of neoliberal values.
I think ultimately we just have different goals. I want something different and you want the turd sandwich because the giant douche isn’t palatable to you and you can’t imagine not voting for the turd sandwich. Hell, you’re crashing out because we’re rightfully upset that no consequences for Trump will come from Dems. We’re in a thread about Jeffries saying that.
I mean, y’all are telling us to vote for fucks who have literal Nazi tattoos. You’re trying to get us to platform a Governor who tore down homeless encampments and hosts right-wing podcasters and platforms their horrid views. Last election, Kamala paraded fucking Liz Cheney around as an endorsement. That’s somehow “winner” behavior worthy of alienating leftists over while also blaming them for that gun you’re holding and aiming at your foot.
I think ultimately we just have different goals. I want something different
If you wanted something different you wouldn’t be taking this “my way or the highway” stance when you know you don’t have the votes to win.
y’all are telling us to vote for fucks who have literal Nazi tattoos
If I show you an example of a trans person with a nazi tattoo would you accuse all trans people of being Nazis? Of course not because that is an obvious bad faith argument made by cherry picking exceptions. The group isn’t responsible for the actions of the individual.
Or do you feel we should blame Bernie for the actions of Fetterman and Sinema?
Last election, Kamala paraded fucking Liz Cheney around as an endorsement.
This is a good example of why leftists can’t win elections and why they are a liability to anyone that tries to court them.
In a democracy you have to find common ground with people you don’t agree with on everything. Because if you don’t, you don’t have a chance at winning like leftists.
If you wanted something different you wouldn’t be taking this “my way or the highway” stance when you know you don’t have the votes to win.
I’m asking for better candidates and action, not “fuck you vote for me or die”.
If I show you an example of a trans person with a nazi tattoo would you accuse all trans people of being Nazis? Of course not because that is an obvious bad faith argument made by cherry picking exceptions. The group isn’t responsible for the actions of the individual.
I’m talking about Graham Platner, asshole. And if dems aren’t responsible for their party members who caucus under them, primary with them, and get endorsed by them, who is?
This is a good example of why leftists can’t win elections and why they are a liability to anyone that tries to court them.
In a democracy you have to find common ground with people you don’t agree with on everything. Because if you don’t, you don’t have a chance at winning like leftists.
Leftists aren’t asking anything, they are demanding that the majority of voters do what a small minority of leftists want without trying to win over voters. They do this while attacking the Democratic Party that give leftists a platform. Oblivious to the fact that it makes them unpopular with democrat voters.
if dems aren’t responsible for their party members who caucus under them, primary with them, and get endorsed by them, who is?
The obvious answer that shouldn’t need to be explained to you is Voters. In a democracy voters decide these things and when leftist don’t vote they contribute to the outcome you’re complaining about.
Do you own a mirror?
Obviously I do. I’ve been holding it up to your face and you don’t seem to like what you see.
Obama tried to lay the groundwork for single payer health insurance but it was blocked by republicans
He was blocked by 40 republican senators? A parliamentarian? Crazy how republicans are never blocked like this.
The only conclusion we can draw from dem actions is that they agree with genocide, ICE, allocating healthcare by wealth, etc, but know its unpopular with the people whose votes they’re asking for.
My only interest is getting republicans and Trump out of office because nothing else is possible until that happens.
You know what doesn’t help? Telling people to shut the fuck up and vote for a party that openly despises them.
You know what can help? Keeping people activated on their issues. This only works if the dems don’t stand up to their own base.
Crazy how republicans never are never blocked like this.
Because republicans are more influenced by private interest groups. It’s crazy that you point this out yourself but need it explained to you.
You know what doesn’t help? Telling people to shut the fuck up and vote for a party that openly despises them
Leftists are the only ones using this type of rhetoric which is why they are so unpopular with voters.
You know what can help? Keeping people activated on their issues. This only works if the dems don’t stand up to their own base.
You mean like Fetterman and Sinema? How bout we blame all leftists for their actions the same way you try to scapegoat democrats for the actions of republicans.
Because republicans are more influenced by private interest groups
You’re saying being influenced by private influence groups is what allows republicans to use power to do things? This doesn’t track.
Leftists are the only ones using this type of rhetoric which is why they are so unpopular with voters.
What?
You mean like Fetterman and Sinema? How bout we blame all leftists for their actions the same way you try to scapegoat democrats for the actions of republicans.
When dems have the power to stop a thing, and don’t, this implies they agree with the thing. When dems continue republican policies after they take power, it implies they support that policy.
You’re saying being influenced by private influence groups is what allows republicans to use power to do things? This doesn’t track.
Of course… if republicans want to cut taxes for the rich then special interest groups will run propaganda to convince voters to support it.
If republicans want to run an oil pipeline through our water supply then special interests groups will bribe and manipulate the right people to make it happen. Going so far as to ignore science and convince their voters climate change isn’t real.
What?
No one is telling leftists to “shut the fuck up” and vote for dems.
What is actually happening is leftists are demanding their way or the highway and voters are pointing out the fact that leftists aren’t popular enough to win nationwide elections and not voting will just cause the government to move right.
Since most leftists don’t actually care about winning elections as much as complaining about dems, leftist choose to let the government slide further right.
In a democracy the majority decides. And when that happens leftist complain they’re being told to “shut the fuck up”.
Of course… if republicans want to cut taxes for the rich then special interest groups will run propaganda to convince voters to support it.
You know what’s really easy to get voters to support? Policy that helps them and isn’t bogged down with complicated means-testing, tax credits, and other shit that ultimately amounts to “This policy isn’t for you”.
No one is telling leftists to “shut the fuck up” and vote for dems.
Blue maga spent every day since October of 2023 doing this shit. Hell even in the run up to 2016 “Hey, running on popular policy is more electable than whatever the fuck this is”
In a democracy the majority decides
We don’t have a democracy then, since the majority do not want genocide. Yet the dems preferred losing to not aiding genocide.
You know what’s really easy to get voters to support? Policy that helps them and isn’t bogged down with complicated means-testing, tax credits, and other shit that ultimately amounts to “This policy isn’t for you”.
Explain that to the majority of voters that call this socialism and believes something like this would be taken advantage of by freeloading lazy people. They are the ones leftists need to convince. Not me.
And until leftist change the minds of those voters, they are severely outnumbered and any policy they try will be dead on arrival like the Green New Deal.
Blue maga spent every day since October of 2023 doing this shit.
Blue MAGA is a made up boogie man used by bad actors to divide democrats and leftists. It’s the leftist equivalent of Antifa.
Gee I wonder who would benefit from a tactic like this that we’ve seen used by the GOP.
We don’t have a democracy then, since the majority do not want genocide. Yet the dems preferred losing to not aiding genocide.
The voters chose “genocide”. You don’t speak for the majority of voters. Harris lost because of everything from foreign influence to billionaire class buying votes because Harris campaigned on taxing them.
Just because the majority of voters disagree with you doesn’t mean it is ok to become a dictatorship that bows to your command.
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Clearly. You seem to be willing to change nothing else in the process as well. I personally think we’re collectively past status quo and bandaids. Things need to change, and change fucking drastically, or we’ll just get another Trump again in the near future. Our politics are deeply corrupt and you cannot expect those of us not dunking our heads in the kool-aid to be chill with neoliberal oligarchy.
Punch left all you like, all you’re doing is engaging in the neoliberal past time of being an aloof loser.
Not only will we get another version of trump they will be worse than think one, constantly testing the limits of government
Neoliberals haven’t been losing elections… leftists have.
Republicans are deeply corrupt. Private interest groups will forever be trying to influence all politicians. For example, progressives like Fetterman and Sinema.
That won’t change until citizens untied is undone. Leftists aren’t immune to it and pretending that it indicates “both sides r same” is a bad faith argument that the GOP has been using for decades.
Both parties do not have the same goals and just because private interest groups will never stop trying to influence them doesn’t mean the parties themselves have the same goals.
Big laugh from this. This country is locked into a two party system and one of them unfortunately isn’t “leftist”. Same with a bunch of other political ideologies.
Either way, taking the stance of “you’re losers, so you better vote for us” is really convincing, just sayin. If you want leftists to vote dem like they are a monolith, then dems have to act like a monolith and not like a bucket catching scraps.
They take money from the same oligarchs. They hide donor sources through superpacs. They trade stocks with government intel. They harbor incredible resentment for the poor. They throw our tax dollars at bombs used to kill children. How exactly are their goals that different?
This is a democracy. If leftists are losing then it is because they are unpopular with voters. If leftists want to change that it is up to them. Historically they find and excuse not to vote every election which is why the government has moved right.
Leftists always take this “our way or the highway” stance and look all pikachu faced when voters choose the highway.
If you really can’t tell the difference between the goals of the two parties then you are intentionally not looking.
Republicans want to make it illegal to be trans while dems have trans politicians fighting for trans rights. This is just one of many blatantly obvious differences that you pretend don’t exist so you can continue your bad faith argument if “both sides same”.
Boy, I sure do love being a cudgel to beat dissenters with when they disagree with the Neoliberal party. Tell me that my life is contingent on the machine continuing to threaten me constantly while nothing is done to solve the systemic issues that allowed this insane shit to happen. Meanwhile, you take the success of leftists in the Dem caucus and hold them up as examples of neoliberal values.
I think ultimately we just have different goals. I want something different and you want the turd sandwich because the giant douche isn’t palatable to you and you can’t imagine not voting for the turd sandwich. Hell, you’re crashing out because we’re rightfully upset that no consequences for Trump will come from Dems. We’re in a thread about Jeffries saying that.
I mean, y’all are telling us to vote for fucks who have literal Nazi tattoos. You’re trying to get us to platform a Governor who tore down homeless encampments and hosts right-wing podcasters and platforms their horrid views. Last election, Kamala paraded fucking Liz Cheney around as an endorsement. That’s somehow “winner” behavior worthy of alienating leftists over while also blaming them for that gun you’re holding and aiming at your foot.
If you wanted something different you wouldn’t be taking this “my way or the highway” stance when you know you don’t have the votes to win.
If I show you an example of a trans person with a nazi tattoo would you accuse all trans people of being Nazis? Of course not because that is an obvious bad faith argument made by cherry picking exceptions. The group isn’t responsible for the actions of the individual.
Or do you feel we should blame Bernie for the actions of Fetterman and Sinema?
This is a good example of why leftists can’t win elections and why they are a liability to anyone that tries to court them.
In a democracy you have to find common ground with people you don’t agree with on everything. Because if you don’t, you don’t have a chance at winning like leftists.
I’m asking for better candidates and action, not “fuck you vote for me or die”.
I’m talking about Graham Platner, asshole. And if dems aren’t responsible for their party members who caucus under them, primary with them, and get endorsed by them, who is?
Do you own a mirror?
Anyway I am clearly just feeding the trolls at this point. I’m just going to block and move on, holy shit.
Leftists aren’t asking anything, they are demanding that the majority of voters do what a small minority of leftists want without trying to win over voters. They do this while attacking the Democratic Party that give leftists a platform. Oblivious to the fact that it makes them unpopular with democrat voters.
The obvious answer that shouldn’t need to be explained to you is Voters. In a democracy voters decide these things and when leftist don’t vote they contribute to the outcome you’re complaining about.
Obviously I do. I’ve been holding it up to your face and you don’t seem to like what you see.
He was blocked by 40 republican senators? A parliamentarian? Crazy how republicans are never blocked like this. The only conclusion we can draw from dem actions is that they agree with genocide, ICE, allocating healthcare by wealth, etc, but know its unpopular with the people whose votes they’re asking for.
You know what doesn’t help? Telling people to shut the fuck up and vote for a party that openly despises them.
You know what can help? Keeping people activated on their issues. This only works if the dems don’t stand up to their own base.
Because republicans are more influenced by private interest groups. It’s crazy that you point this out yourself but need it explained to you.
Leftists are the only ones using this type of rhetoric which is why they are so unpopular with voters.
You mean like Fetterman and Sinema? How bout we blame all leftists for their actions the same way you try to scapegoat democrats for the actions of republicans.
You’re saying being influenced by private influence groups is what allows republicans to use power to do things? This doesn’t track.
What?
When dems have the power to stop a thing, and don’t, this implies they agree with the thing. When dems continue republican policies after they take power, it implies they support that policy.
Of course… if republicans want to cut taxes for the rich then special interest groups will run propaganda to convince voters to support it.
If republicans want to run an oil pipeline through our water supply then special interests groups will bribe and manipulate the right people to make it happen. Going so far as to ignore science and convince their voters climate change isn’t real.
No one is telling leftists to “shut the fuck up” and vote for dems.
What is actually happening is leftists are demanding their way or the highway and voters are pointing out the fact that leftists aren’t popular enough to win nationwide elections and not voting will just cause the government to move right.
Since most leftists don’t actually care about winning elections as much as complaining about dems, leftist choose to let the government slide further right.
In a democracy the majority decides. And when that happens leftist complain they’re being told to “shut the fuck up”.
You know what’s really easy to get voters to support? Policy that helps them and isn’t bogged down with complicated means-testing, tax credits, and other shit that ultimately amounts to “This policy isn’t for you”.
Blue maga spent every day since October of 2023 doing this shit. Hell even in the run up to 2016 “Hey, running on popular policy is more electable than whatever the fuck this is”
We don’t have a democracy then, since the majority do not want genocide. Yet the dems preferred losing to not aiding genocide.
Explain that to the majority of voters that call this socialism and believes something like this would be taken advantage of by freeloading lazy people. They are the ones leftists need to convince. Not me.
And until leftist change the minds of those voters, they are severely outnumbered and any policy they try will be dead on arrival like the Green New Deal.
Blue MAGA is a made up boogie man used by bad actors to divide democrats and leftists. It’s the leftist equivalent of Antifa.
Gee I wonder who would benefit from a tactic like this that we’ve seen used by the GOP.
The voters chose “genocide”. You don’t speak for the majority of voters. Harris lost because of everything from foreign influence to billionaire class buying votes because Harris campaigned on taxing them.
Just because the majority of voters disagree with you doesn’t mean it is ok to become a dictatorship that bows to your command.