• UsernameHere@lemmy.world
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    18 days ago

    Either way, taking the stance of “you’re losers, so you better vote for us” is really convincing, just sayin. If you want leftists to vote dem like they are a monolith

    This is a democracy. If leftists are losing then it is because they are unpopular with voters. If leftists want to change that it is up to them. Historically they find and excuse not to vote every election which is why the government has moved right.

    Leftists always take this “our way or the highway” stance and look all pikachu faced when voters choose the highway.

    If you really can’t tell the difference between the goals of the two parties then you are intentionally not looking.

    Republicans want to make it illegal to be trans while dems have trans politicians fighting for trans rights. This is just one of many blatantly obvious differences that you pretend don’t exist so you can continue your bad faith argument if “both sides same”.

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      18 days ago

      Republicans want to make it illegal to be trans while dems have trans politicians fighting for trans rights. This is just one of many blatantly obvious differences that you pretend don’t exist so you can continue your bad faith argument if “both sides same”.

      Boy, I sure do love being a cudgel to beat dissenters with when they disagree with the Neoliberal party. Tell me that my life is contingent on the machine continuing to threaten me constantly while nothing is done to solve the systemic issues that allowed this insane shit to happen. Meanwhile, you take the success of leftists in the Dem caucus and hold them up as examples of neoliberal values.

      I think ultimately we just have different goals. I want something different and you want the turd sandwich because the giant douche isn’t palatable to you and you can’t imagine not voting for the turd sandwich. Hell, you’re crashing out because we’re rightfully upset that no consequences for Trump will come from Dems. We’re in a thread about Jeffries saying that.

      I mean, y’all are telling us to vote for fucks who have literal Nazi tattoos. You’re trying to get us to platform a Governor who tore down homeless encampments and hosts right-wing podcasters and platforms their horrid views. Last election, Kamala paraded fucking Liz Cheney around as an endorsement. That’s somehow “winner” behavior worthy of alienating leftists over while also blaming them for that gun you’re holding and aiming at your foot.

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        18 days ago

        I think ultimately we just have different goals. I want something different

        If you wanted something different you wouldn’t be taking this “my way or the highway” stance when you know you don’t have the votes to win.

        y’all are telling us to vote for fucks who have literal Nazi tattoos

        If I show you an example of a trans person with a nazi tattoo would you accuse all trans people of being Nazis? Of course not because that is an obvious bad faith argument made by cherry picking exceptions. The group isn’t responsible for the actions of the individual.

        Or do you feel we should blame Bernie for the actions of Fetterman and Sinema?

        Last election, Kamala paraded fucking Liz Cheney around as an endorsement.

        This is a good example of why leftists can’t win elections and why they are a liability to anyone that tries to court them.

        In a democracy you have to find common ground with people you don’t agree with on everything. Because if you don’t, you don’t have a chance at winning like leftists.

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          18 days ago

          If you wanted something different you wouldn’t be taking this “my way or the highway” stance when you know you don’t have the votes to win.

          I’m asking for better candidates and action, not “fuck you vote for me or die”.

          If I show you an example of a trans person with a nazi tattoo would you accuse all trans people of being Nazis? Of course not because that is an obvious bad faith argument made by cherry picking exceptions. The group isn’t responsible for the actions of the individual.

          I’m talking about Graham Platner, asshole. And if dems aren’t responsible for their party members who caucus under them, primary with them, and get endorsed by them, who is?

          This is a good example of why leftists can’t win elections and why they are a liability to anyone that tries to court them.

          In a democracy you have to find common ground with people you don’t agree with on everything. Because if you don’t, you don’t have a chance at winning like leftists.

          Do you own a mirror?

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            18 days ago

            Leftists aren’t asking anything, they are demanding that the majority of voters do what a small minority of leftists want without trying to win over voters. They do this while attacking the Democratic Party that give leftists a platform. Oblivious to the fact that it makes them unpopular with democrat voters.

            if dems aren’t responsible for their party members who caucus under them, primary with them, and get endorsed by them, who is?

            The obvious answer that shouldn’t need to be explained to you is Voters. In a democracy voters decide these things and when leftist don’t vote they contribute to the outcome you’re complaining about.

            Do you own a mirror?

            Obviously I do. I’ve been holding it up to your face and you don’t seem to like what you see.