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    8 hours ago

    As much as I’ve liked AOC in the past, she needs to stay progressive or she needs to go. We cant indulge ourselves with cult of personality politics over issues, we have to stick with issue based stances informed by reputation. If she goes the wrong way on issues she gets her hand slapped and takes a reputation hit. If she does it too many times, she gets the boot from progressivism and she can go try her luck with the centrists. Those have to be progressivisms rules or we will get played, if not now then by some future fake progressive.

    I live in the dark dark blue state of Hawaii and the only way to run for office here is on the D ticket, so we see lots of fake dems sprout up, and pretend to be progressive until they can leverage incumbency instead. Voting blue no matter who is definitely a way to get completely played if you vote in elections here, and political strategists understand how to exploit this dynamic very well.

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    1 day ago

    She plays the game but that doesn’t mean she’s secretly a Capitalist. We can debate the efficacy of her strategies, but I am glad she finally pushed the party on Israel’s genocide.

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        12 hours ago

        If that was her intention then she wouldn’t have stated Isreal should get no weapons, not even for “defense”. Unless maybe she’s trying to save the system from itself? Still seems like that shift is something beneficial for those who want the genocide to stop.

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          She did state Israel should get defensive weapons until that position became unholdable. Now she’s trying to keep Pelosi in power. She’s doing everything to prevent a shift to the left.

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            8 hours ago

            you should call the majority report, they would love to have you explain how you came to this conclusion: 646-257-3920 , you will have a much larger audience then what’s here. I would love to see it.

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      If it weren’t for the players, there’d be no game. Also, considering human living conditions/death as a “game” emulates rent seeking crapitalism ideals.

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        agreed, all of politics is not exactly “real”. Its a shared conceptual structure and a “game” we humans keep making up for ourselves to play. We can choose just not to play this game anymore and play by new rules. "The system"is not immortal and immutable, its just a conceptual construct we all agree exists, and is easy enough to follow such that our day runs predictably. If enough of us state that we are playing a new game instead, people everywhere will need to decide which game they want to play: the cruel shitty one that oppresses them or some new one.

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        15 hours ago

        If you’re paying taxes you’re playing the game as well. It’s not much of a choice.

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          Yes because employers will totally not automatically take it out of the paycheck. Cause they’re all about getting in trouble for their employees.

          The only ones who can not pay taxes are the ultra wealthy or those who are only classified as contractors. And the contractors will get fucked a lot harder if they don’t pay

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          Oh yes, the captive functioning of society is as bad as the optional “can’t do anything differently” dysfunction. 🙄

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            15 hours ago

            Even when you’re a captive tax payer you can do things differently. I think you mean to say she has power to do things more effectively? which brings us back to debating the efficacy of her tactics

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              Even when you’re a captive tax payer you can do things differently. Agree.

              I think you mean to say she has power to do things more effectively? I said what I said.

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                Apologies for offering my understanding of what you said, I really don’t understand your expectations here. That all politicians stop playing the game starting with AOC? And that will somehow bring down the two party system? But again, here we are talking about what is a better strategy which you insist is not the case.

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                  That all politicians stop playing the game starting with AOC?

                  If it is to be stopped, it has to stop with someone. The AOC of today is not the AOC of the first campaign, and that’s by design of the game. Not faulting get that out happened, but she’s been in the game long enough to know only billionaires and corpos are winning by these rules.

                  A drop => a trickle=> a stream=> a flood

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                  That’s why Democrats today are right of Reagan.

                  No apologies needed, thanks anyway

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      Yeah…I upvote like that sometimes when I tiredly agree but dont know what else there is to say. Then I revisit later to see if reinforcements are needed.

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        What a long comment to not respond to the post and do adhominems. Along with the usual condescending tone from genocide supporting Liberals.

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          It’s not Ad Hominem to call you out for a tendency to post content that is counterproductive and/or misleading. This link is a prime example.

          We get it, there are many politicians and policies that you don’t like. How about posting something productive instead? Who’s a candidate you could get behind? What’s a policy that actually aligns with your preferences?

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            What a long comment to not respond to the post and do adhominems. Along with the usual condescending tone from genocide supporting Liberals.

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              Lol, says the person copypasting instead of actually writing anything of substance. Do better. Find something to actually enjoy. You’d be much happier for it too, instead of wallowing in your own misery.

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                13 hours ago

                What a long comment to not respond to the post and do adhominems. Along with the usual condescending tone from genocide supporting Liberals.