• Grail@multiverse.soulism.net
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    1 month ago

    Don’t call them non voters. They made a choice and their vote is being counted by the analysts. They’re neutral voters.

    At the Democrat strategy meetings where they run the numbers and decide on the party platform, these people are considered part of the “apolitical” demographic. The Democrats are stupid and will move the party platform rightwards to try and appeal to them. Principles don’t fix stupid.

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      1 month ago

      To be fair, I live in a country where you can vote for a 3rd or 4th or 5th party and your vote still counts, because that’s how democracy should work.

      In the US, I would probably be considered one of my ‘non-voters’.

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        1 month ago

        In the US you would be considered a nuisance by the politicians of both established parties for feebly trying to disrupt their plan to usher in fascism under the guise of free choice. We’re not going to be able to work the sides against each other, because that’s like trying to call out from the audience of a play to try to influence how the story ends. Their actions are designed to influence us, not the other way around. The only way voting helps in the US is to buy time to coordinate the revolution while Democrats are still playing the role of the idiot.

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          We’re not going to be able to work the sides against each other, because that’s like trying to call out from the audience of a play to try to influence how the story ends

          True, but you can influence the ending of a play by going backstage and putting on a costume. In America they call that a “primary” and it’s how Zohran Mamdani became the mayor.

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            1 month ago

            True, but just because you put on a costume and go backstage that doesn’t mean you’ll get a lead role in the play, or even a role at all. I do vote in my primaries, and I’m very hopeful of Mamdani, especially with help from AOC and Bernie, but I can’t help but feel like I’m being tricked into pacificity; I picture a scenario were a few outspoken antagonists are allowed a place on the stage only to give the like-minded audience hope, but are never given a plot-relevant role.

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      1 month ago

      “Maybe we can do a bit more genocide to find a middle ground between those who want to kill latinos and those who dont”

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        1 month ago

        Like I said, they’re stupid.

        Like I said, principles don’t fix stupid. If you don’t vote, they’ll just act stupider.

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          1 month ago

          if you voted for them you voted for genociders. You’re an utter piece of shit.

          The two party system will prevail as long as you keep voting for the same two parties. It aint rocket science

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            1 month ago

            Because of your neutral vote, the Democrats are going further right and killing more kids. You’ve got blood on your hands.

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              Ah yes if you don’t vote for genociders you’re a genocider. Water is dry and war is peace.

              I hope your mum gets liquified by iran

              • Jessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                1 month ago

                Fuck the democrats. We still have to vote for whatever the other option is here. There are Christi-fascists in power right now. I would fucking love to get excited about a candidate that has an actual plan to materially improve the lives of the working class. But we are not in that position right now. We are fucked, so let’s get literally any non-fascist in to the Presidency. From there we have to find someone who will take us leftward.

                Abstaining is a selfish position.

                There is a path we have to follow to get where we need to be. Israel should be made to pay dearly for what they have done and continue to do. The entire government as well as anyone who has served in the IOF should be at The Hague.

                Grow the hell up.

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                  1 month ago

                  Yes at least the “non fascist” will only bomb foreigners and who cares about them am i right

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                    The fuck are you on? There is no possible way to elect/install a leader that will end all of the military campaigns throughout the world. So rather than abstaining, which is stupid, we have to work with what we’ve got right now.

                    What’s your next edgy retort?

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                  fuck the Democrats, but still vote for them because they are our only hope to continue the facism they’ve helped enable.

                  This is what you sound like