• BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        9 hours ago

        I’m not just talking about Senate but committees that come up first for appointees. So I’m hearing then they also cannot manage to keep themselves in order with their overall arching message of Resistance as well. Which is another tick against them.

        Edit: Also yeah, let’s not forget voting to fund ICE and DHS. Neo-liberalism isn’t a compromise, it’s just believing it is.

        Edit 2: Oh also remember when Biden said we need Republicans as much as Democrats? They’ve got a huge mountain to climb in this regard to be seen as even palatable.

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          So I’m hearing then they also cannot manage to keep themselves in order with their overall arching message of Resistance as well.

          Nobody is going to get 100% of their members to vote a certain way, especially if their votes don’t matter. This is true for any political party, even your favored one. When their votes do matter, Democrats vote consistently more progressively than the alternative.

          Also yeah, let’s not forget voting to fund ICE and DHS.

          ICE was funded by the OBBBA. All Democrats voted against it in both houses and even convinced several Republicans to vote against it to the point that Vance had to cast a tie-breaking vote.

          Oh also remember when Biden said we need Republicans as much as Democrats?

          Biden is senile. He said a bunch of crazy things, but he didn’t say we need Republicans as much as Democrats. He said that we need a Republican Party that is principled and strong. It’s precisely a lack of principles and backbone that resulted in the GOP’s Trump takeover.

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            We don’t need a Republican party, because Democrats do well enough as the conservative party. The fact he still believes we need another conservative party does not look good.

            As for voting progressive, boy, Biden and Pelosi sure were voting progressive a lot of the time with funding police.

            Look, I get it, you’re apologizing for the neo-liberals being shit. But you won’t convince me or many other leftists to choose a lesser evil or harm reduction or whatever false dichotomy you call come up with. Just stop.

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              The fact he still believes we need another conservative party does not look good.

              He looks senile. He is.

              As for voting progressive, boy, Biden and Pelosi sure were voting progressive a lot of the time with funding police.

              Progressives want community policing. They don’t want no police. You’re confusing progressives with anarchists.

              But you won’t convince me or many other leftists to choose a lesser evil or harm reduction or whatever false dichotomy you call come up with.

              I’m more leftist than you are, and I’ve already convinced several. The key idea is that we should always do the best we can. If the choice is between bombing Iran and not bombing Iran, I choose not bombing Iran. If the choice is between sanctioning West Bank settlers and getting aid to Gaza and not doing those things, I choose the former. If the choice is between teaching Americans black history as American history and not teaching black history, I choose the former. If the choice is between helping refugees and removing their legal status after they’re already in the country and deporting them, you can guess which one I’m going to choose.

              While I make these choices, I convince others who aren’t as progressive as me why the progressive policies that aren’t yet popular make sense, so the next time around, we’ll have the votes for it. In just the same way, I convince progressives who don’t think through the consequences of their actions why they need to, so we have the votes not to backslide into regressive policies. I don’t agree with anybody I vote for 100% of the time, but I do understand that voting for them is better than the alternative. Imagine if people who wanted equal rights for black people didn’t vote for Lincoln because he said he didn’t think that blacks should marry whites or go to the same schools (read the Lincoln Douglas debate transcripts).