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The two-week temporary ceasefire has done little to quell GOP fears about the war in Iran costing the party seats in November.
Republicans are relieved over Trump’s steps toward reconciliation in Iran — but they worry the measures are too little, too late to save them from a brutal midterm election cycle.
Behind the public celebration by many Republicans of the temporary two-week ceasefire announcement, longtime party operatives continue to warn of a bleak political reality as the cost-of-living concerns around the war including spiking gas prices that are likely to continue for weeks if not longer even if the fragile ceasefire holds.
A person close to the White House, granted anonymity to speak candidly, put it bluntly.
“This war in Iran almost cements the fact that we lose the midterms in November — the Senate and House,” the person said.
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If democrats ran on a hard stance of “We will prosecute the fuck out of everyone involved in the current administration”, they’d sweep the midterms. Then if they actually followed through on it, they’d also sweep in 2028, but we all know they won’t do either.
If Democrats were capable of that sort of backbone, Donald Trump would never have become president. At least, not for a second term.
Ah yes, the classic blame Democrats for Trump. Because Trump voters don’t have agency.
You’re missing the big picture and blaming the right when the problem isn’t right OR left. It’s UP. As in, the rich. Notice how neither side’s elected representatives really seem to give a shit about you?
Notice how neither side’s elected representatives really seem to give a shit about you?
THIS!!! Yet, Lemmys keep on mistakenly thinking that the Dem’s have their backs. lol
but we all know they won’t do either.
Which is why I’ll keep voting third party. I’m not gonna support a party with no spine.
You do you, it’s your vote obviously. I hope you’re in a safely blue state, though; know that any time the republicans win your state / county / town / whatever, you contributed to that outcome.
Never gonna hold my nose to vote. Never gonna vote for “lesser” evil. I vote for who I want to win, regardless of odds. As is my American right.
Sure. Not arguing against the fact that it’s your right to vote for whomever you want. However, if we look at the most recent US election, there were a lot of principled people holding that same belief either abstaining or declining to vote strategically, and now we have Trump. If you were one of those people, thinking you are not in small part responsible for the current administration is refusal to take responsibility for your own actions. Just like it would have been in small part my responsibility if Harris had won and decided to do what Trump is doing now.
there were a lot of principled people holding that same belief either abstaining or declining to vote strategically, and now we have Trump.
I guess the Democrats should get a good enough candidate to offset that.
If you were one of those people, thinking you are not in small part responsible for the current administration is refusal to take responsibility for your own actions.
I guess the Democrats should have a good enough candidate to offset that. I proudly voted third party and will do again in upcoming elections unless the Dems choose AOC to run for president.
Again, that’s fine - you’ve got every right to do that. Is Trump closer to what you want in a president than Harris would have been, do you imagine?
I didn’t vote for either one and they are both equally bad. Yes, let me say that again so you don’t have to try a “gotcha” moment and try to repeat my words back to me. Yes, they are both equally bad. Yes, I think Harris would have done just as badly. Yes, I think both sides suck and in fact, I think they are practically the same.
The Democratic party lost to Trump, twice. Twice. That’s on you all, not me. Maybe the party should come up with a better candidate this time around.
It’s up the Dem party to inspire people to vote for them. the whole “but, but, but it’s not Trump!” strategy didn’t work. Either time. So are they gonna do better this time? Or are they just gonna write some harshly-worded press releases again?
If the Dem party nominates AOC, I’ll vote for them. If not, I’m voting third party. No amount of “gotcha” or “what if” scenarios that you are thinking of throwing at me will change my mind. You can throw all the hitler-nazi-fascist-emperor-pedo-king-wwIII-civilwar shit at me all you want. I don’t like either party and they both suck.
AOC or third party. Yep, I’m black and white that way. No, you aren’t going to change my mind. And that’s ok.
But but but you voted for Trump then! You want Trump to win again! We promise we’re not as bad as the Republicans! Neo-liberals argue much like MAGA does, loaded questions and bad faith.
Exactly why I will never reward them with my vote. Unless they pic AOC, cuz I like her.
I’m right there with you but until there’s an alternative voting system (like RCV, STV, or STAR or something), a vote for a 3rd party is as good as a vote for the opposition party. It sucks but that’s the price of a ridiculous divided 2 party system. Well, there’s many prices to pay for that actually but that’s one of them…
But if people keep thinking and what you are saying, then it never happens. Trust me, if everyone would suddenly vote for a third party, shit would. The duopoly wants you to keep being afraid to vote for at third party. Which is why I’ll keep voting third party.
I mean yeah of course. But look at how many people in the country actually are 3rd party. Like I said if the country wasn’t very clearly and decisively divided into 2 parties it would be different. But the fact is people in the US now are typically either pretty far left or pretty far right. The amount of people in the middle (like truly in the middle) is absolutely miniscule - less than 3% last I checked. If 100% of the 3rd party people voted 3rd party, it wouldn’t amount to much sadly. I would absolutely love for that to change but we are wedged so far into these two parties that it will be a loooong time before that happens.
Your opposition party would be absolutely thrilled if you voted 3rd party. There is no conspiracy to stop you from doing so. I’d argue the bigger conspiracy is against changing how we vote and how a winner gets chosen as that would make it much easier for a 3rd party candidate to make headway. As it stands, the more people they can get to throw their votes away instead of voting for someone that actually has a chance of winning (unless it’s their party of course) the happier they’ll be.
I would be so happy to be wrong here but over the years this has only gotten worse and worse, exacerbating the problem and pushing us farther into this hellhole of diametrically opposed political theatre. But at least we are HOT HOT HOT as a country now right?! 🔥🚒 🔥
Like I said if the country wasn’t very clearly and decisively divided into 2 parties it would be different.
Because people like you keep repeating it and people get scared and don’t wanna take the chance.
Your opposition party would be absolutely thrilled if you voted 3rd party.
Even if every single person who voted for 3rd party in 2024 voted for Harris, she still would have lost. That’s how big her margin of loss was. Look it up.
It wasn’t 3rd party voters that destroyed her chances, it was non-voters.
As it stands, the more people they can get to throw their votes away instead of voting for someone that actually has a chance of winning (unless it’s their party of course) the happier they’ll be.
Again, because people like you keep saying that and scaring people. Let me piggback on your conspiracy theory: Both major parties actively work to keep third-party candidates from having a real shot.
And one of the clearest examples is how they teamed up in 1987 to create the Commission on Presidential Debates. They set strict rules that have excluded virtually every third-party candidate from the national stage ever since.
It’s one of the rare things they publicly agree on: maintaining the two-party lock on the biggest platform in politics.
Add every time you vote for them, you support them doing that. I refuse.
Because people like you…
Ah damn. I thought there was a decent chance at a constructive political discourse. But I see I we’re just skipping straight to finger pointing (which is quite entertaining as all signs point to us being at least ostensibly politically aligned). But you are right. I concede. This is all because of me and evil people like me. You’re 100% right. Surely it has nothing to do with the system that has all of us boxed into nicely manicured corners.
Just remember the 1st and only rule of political finger pointing in the US. Keep it eye level or lower. Don’t look up.
Surely it has nothing to do with the system that has all of us boxed into nicely manicured corners.
That’s totally the reason for most of the problems. I just refuse to stay in those corners.
And like I said, even if every single person who voted for 3rd party in 2024 voted for Harris, she still would have lost. That’s how big her margin of loss was.
It wasn’t 3rd party voters that destroyed her chances, it was non-voters.
Be mad at them, not me.
Even if every single person who voted for 3rd party in 2024 voted for Harris, she still would have lost. That’s how big her margin of loss was. Look it up.
Okay, I did. Harris lost the popular vote by roughly 2.285 million votes.
Green Party (Stein/Aware): 862,000 votes. Independent (Kennedy/Shanahan): 756,000 votes.
Libertarian (Oliver/Maat): 650,000 votes.
Other: 650,000 votes. Combined: 2.919 million.Disproving your point technically, but your point is still taken.
But the popular vote doesn’t decide the election, you say.
In Trump’s three largest swing states, that if lost would’ve meant he lost the election, 31k greater votes went to a third party (260k) than his eventual margin (230k).
I’m not here to say there’s no place for voting 3rd party, but rather to refute your point that Trump would’ve won without the third party voters. Demonstratively not necessary true.
Popular vote doesn’t decide the election and NEVER has decided the presidential election. U.S. Constitution (Article II, Section 1) has always required the president to be chosen by the Electoral College or by the House of Representatives in rare cases where no one gets a majority of electoral votes.
The popular vote is only used by states to help choose their electors. It has never overridden or replaced the Electoral College.
Your popular-vote math is correct about shifting all ~2.92 million actual third-party votes to Harris flips the popular vote. But the presidency is decided by the Electoral College.
In the three big swing states you mentioned:
Pennsylvania: Trump’s margin (120,266) > third-party votes (~68k–92k) → PA does not flip.
Michigan + Wisconsin: yes, they flip (+25 EV).
Result: Harris ends at 251 EV, Trump at 287 EV. Trump still wins the presidency.
So the numbers actually confirm my point: even if every person who voted third-party had voted for Harris instead, Trump still becomes president.
All of this is straight from the official FEC certified results.
The popular vote does not matter, and has not mattered for a while. The Electoral vote decides the election. Which by the way, BOTH parties refuse to change.
Don’t underestimate the Democratic establishment’s ability to run godawful candidates. I think they actually believe they can run even worse candidates when the Republicans are unpopular
Shhh, don’t let the Dem supporters and Blue No Matter Who types hear this. They’ll say you voted for Trump personally.
Yep, and claim that we’re Russian bots and Propaganda Bots…all because we use facts. lol
Yep. Dems have been running on, “but, but…but our candidate isn’t republican” strategy for so long. And they still haven’t changed.
And from some of the comments in this thread, they are supported in doing that. So they’ll keep fucking it up. lol
I’ll happily admit I’m wrong if they put AOC forward as pres candidate. If they don’t put AOC in there, then I’ll keep voting third party.
sO yOu WaNt tRuMp To wIn?!
Pretty much how Lemmy thinks! lmao
The number of idiots and monsters still in MAGAcult is way too damn high.
I also truly hope the uncommitted No Vote / Third Party voters complicit in his election (I think I’ll call them Maga-lite at this point) have learned a thing or two since last election, too.
Register and Vote Democrat come November. Vote in Dem primaries right now if you want to alter the composition of the Democratic banner.
I also truly hope the uncommitted No Vote / Third Party voters complicit in his election (I think I’ll call them Maga-lite at this point) have learned a thing or two since last election, too.
I’m a third party voter. And I did learn something. That I was right. I’ll be voting third-party again to. Dems suck. Republicans suck. I vote for who I want to win, not against who I don’t want to win.
Found the Republican.
No you didn’t. If I were Republican I would have voted Republican. Why would I do a roundabout voting thing, rather than just vote Republican if I wanted a Republican to win?
I think I’d bet money I did, in fact.
Odds even better from a brand-spankin’ new 1-month-old account, LOL. Got that classic false equivalence both sides wedge-driving scent, even!
Looks, Acts, Quacks, Helps a Republican!
Must be a Republican.
Slava Ukraini ;)
Odds even better from a brand-spankin’ new 1-month-old account,
Obivously you didn’t look at my profile where I listed my accounts. My original account is Lemmy.today. Then it was lemmings.world, but it’s closing. So I created this one. I am not a new 1-month-old account.
All that info is right in my profile.
I have been on Lemmy for 3 years, bub.
I think I’d bet money I did, in fact.
So you bet money that someone on Lemmy who says they are not a republican, is a republican? Um…doubt it. But if true, you are taking Lemmy way too seriously.
Again tho, if I were republican, wouldn’t it be better for me to vote Republican? Why would I vote third party if I were a republican? Seems kinda the long way around, don’t you think?
