Reason number 5,386 to delete your Reddit account and encourage your friends & loved ones to do the same.
ah pedonald trying to scare people. fuck him with a retractable baton.
That might bring him pleasure.
Dip him in acid.
Heh, which kind?
That calcium-loving one that eats your bones if you touch it?
I think you’re referring to hydrofluoric acid
man i fuckin hate the us government. Do y’all really say shit like “pedonald” unironically though
do y’all say that shit and be like “heh yeah i got his ass”? do y’all say shit like “The Orange Menace” and think it’s the fuckin bomb dot com?
you old ass freaky mfs got that truth social energy going on. Y’all say some corn ball facebook auntie garbage and act like it’s tuff with two F’s
Can y’all act like normal human beings instead of this weird ass insulated secluded sector of the radicalized internet for a sec big dog like damn
slaughter conservatives and behead authority figures, stop this busted ass middle school style name calling though holy fuck
Come on down from wherever you are from and get the ball rolling for us, id welcome you
Who here is acting “tuff”? It seems more like it’s you than anyone else.
Room temp IQ.
It’s not the radicalized people who are fine with a pedophile in the white house…
ok.
Good god the title is very misleading. The grand jury hearing isn’t until April 14. It’s still chilling that the administration will go to these lengths to apparently silence criticism, but I’m not convinced there is more to this story. Although the reddit user in question is enlisting a civil liberties group to represent him, I’m thinking he/she may not be a terrorist mastermind who is a danger to the American people.
That doesn’t sound misleading in the slightest, because that’s not the definition of misleading. It sounds like a fucking lie.
This measured response feels much healthier than my/our kneejerk reactions. Any prosecutor is going to seek information that would help their case, and they expect the Court to simply say No when it isn’t compatible with the law. It sucks that this Trump admin and retributive DOJ have such an anti-American track record that our initial instinct is that every move is another attempt to suppress criticism (which it likely would be if they had any scintilla of competence to go with their thirst for fascism).
Fuck ICE
Once again, just in case no one heard, FUCK ICE
why don’t you take a marker and a white shirt, write that on that shirt, and actually wear it outside, instead of doing this.
why don’t you go get your diaper changed and take a nap big piss baby.
Why don’t you go criticize someone in real life too.
DC is hoping a grand jury will order .
Fuck these nazis
I find it reassuring that the government is at least acting like they can’t identify this user without Reddit’s consent. I wonder why this charade is necessary; are they trying to set a legal precedent?
Actual title:
A Secret Grand Jury Is Seeking the Identity of a Reddit User Who Criticized ICE
It’s completely unclear what illegal thing the user is supposed to have done, other than dislike ICE.
They can’t fucking WAIT until this ID verification goes through. Literally frothing at the mouth for it.
I don’t get it. Once ID checks are here, do they think people will keep expressing these kinds of opinions publicly? Oh course not, they’re just going to keep going further underground online or find offline ways, do they really think we’ll just keep posting incriminating stuff with our real name attached?
The oppression is the goal. They want you to tell 10 people locally, not 10 million worldwide.
OP’s headline does not match the article linked in any way. I don’t know if the site changed the article or what, but the Grand Jury has not ordered Reddit to turn over any data.
a subpoena issued by federal prosecutors to the management of Reddit, representatives of the site have been ordered to appear before a grand jury in Washington D.C., with an April 14 deadline set in an attempt to compel Reddit to volunteer personal data and the identity of a user who had the temerity to lightly criticize Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) on the platform.
Essentially, they have ordered Reddit to send representatives to be badgered into volunteering the user’s information.
No, it’s not volunteering, at least not anymore.
Subpoena is legal Latin for “under penalty,” because noncompliance with a subpoena carries a penalty.
Originally, it was an information request from the feds, and Reddit refused. Then they escalated to getting a grand jury subpoena (which means they got a bunch of normal citizens to agree that the information was relevant to a criminal investigation), so now noncompliance carries a penalty.
Reddit notified the users, who hired their own lawyers, who are resisting the subpoena and will litigate it to where they need a judge to decide whether Reddit will have to turn the information over.
That’s the process for these things, and we’re a couple steps in already.
I heard the heavier ones love it when you call them ICEburgs
Why is it important to make a fat joke about Nazis? Did you run out of things to make fun of them for being Nazis?
Seriously y’all, for all the people on this site who fancy themselves as “leftists” or “progressive,” y’all use eugenicist talking points fucking costantly. You gotta stop making fun of Nazis for shit that has nothing to do with them being Nazis. If your only way to make fun of these people is to target other groups, I’m not sure what you hate about them besides the aesthetics.
Edit: Those that are commenting and messaging, be careful what you think is harmless, you’re not smart enough to passively and subsconsciously address every single internalized value you hold as though you’re God’s chosen goody-goody.
Because calling them Nazis doesn’t affect them - they’re proud of it. I don’t particularly care about being ACCURATE with those pieces of trash, and my attempts to do so would only be taken by them as a sign of weakness. It’s about getting to them psychologically and showing them I don’t respect them in a language they can understand. I get that the language is offensive to people who are not them as well, but it’s like a gun - it’s not just about the weapon, it’s about who you point it at. If it gets to Nazi bastards, I’m going to use it.
Oh awesome, could you explain how making fun of fat people constitutes psychological warfare against Nazis? It’s not like a gun, because a gun is a fucking inanimate object, and society and culture are not.
When you say that fatness is something that is akin to the same level of moral depravity as subscribing to genocidal politics, you are reproducing fascist constructions of the ideal human body and the relationship between physical deformity and social degradation. Liberals have used ageism, ableism, queerohobia and transphobia, racism, and yes, fatphobia to make fun of Nazis because most of them have no idea what is wrong about fascism besides the distastefulness of their tactics. It’s not about the language being “offensive,” it’s about anti-fascism.
You wanna be a fascist or not?
“Liberals have used ageism, ableism, queerohobia and transphobia, racism, and yes, fatphobia” One of these things is not like the others. One of these things doesn’t belong. You’re up in arms about the one thing a person can help. Fatness is curable. It can be done without drugs even.
I don’t particularly care for fat shaming myself. I’m classified as obese and struggle with compulsive eating the same as anyone, but you’ll never see me endorse a fat pride parade the same as a gay pride parade. Being fat is physically and mentally unhealthy and should not be promoted. Being body positive is good, being fat positive is not.
But we could probably all agree that it’s okay to shame ICE for being stupid evil assholes.
I do find it concerning just how many people talk about things like this without ever challenging their fundamental understanding of social norms. A lot of you do just assume you’re smarter than me, which is funny, and I wonder if you’ve ever actually read anything on fatphobia and the arguments for its recognition.
Bigotry is difficult for liberals to understand because they typically want to recognize it as individualized actions of aggression like calling someone a slur or being mean about someone’s weight. Have you considered for a moment that you are vulnerable to the laundering of values that promote dehumanization and genocide through vectors of “bigotry” which you don’t take seriously, such as fatness? You used the word “curable,” which is very convenient for me as it is a good demonstration of how this topic is medicalized (we can ignore the well-documented discrimination against fat people in medical settings for now), and specifically how it is pathologized. When something is pathologized, that means that whatever is seen as wrong with it is always relative to an idealized, “positive” thing; a fat body is bad (unhealthy) because it is not good like a thin body (healthy). Regardless of the medical science behind this construction (of which I’m sure you also have not read as it is well established by this point that fatness is not necessarily unhealthy relative to other factors), this has manifested socially as a vector of discrimination exactly because of the perception that this is an illness that is cured by willpower. Conveniently in an neoliberal culture, an illness that materializes laziness, poor self-control, and general moral degeneracy reinforces an individualism where individual people are responsible for the effects of their material conditions; i.e. you can choose to be fat the same way you can choose to be poor.
Because fatness is not a recognized vector for discrimination in the same way that racism and sexism is, it is an important site of scholarly discourses exactly because of how effective it is at laundering ableism and classism; along with the fact that it is a measurably oppressed and vulnerable group based on the research I allude to above. Liberals like you don’t question any of this, and then readily engage in the fascist rhetoric I am criticizing in this comment with the assumption that you are doing the righteous thing by promoting bodily health and dissuading any claim that a person’s fatness is not related to their moral quality of character. It is not about, “body-positivity” any more than anti-racism and anti-queerphobia is even though those forms of oppression similarly relate to the subordination of particular bodily attributes to others. That oppressive ideal of thinness is inextricably linked to ideas of whiteness, and “fitness” in a very fascist understanding of the natural world and human evolution.
Hope that explains some of it to you.
Being fat is objectively unhealthy and in fact a chronic disease. It brings with it high blood pressure, chronic fatigue, higher mortality rates in younger people, diabetes, higher rates of heart disease, blood clots, arthritis, strokes, poor sleep, and a hundred other things. And it’s in fact a chronic disease that can be cured. Without drugs.
There’s a reason the first thing they do at a doctor’s office is weigh you. It’s a simple metric that is a strong predictor of overall health.
I’m not saying this as an indictment against fat people. I’m not saying it’s okay to fat shame. I’m saying this as a simple fact that being fat is unhealthy and has real consequences. I am also saying it is morally wrong to say it’s okay being fat. Saying being fat is okay teaches people that health does not matter and they go on to live shorter more painful lives.
I don’t think I’m smarter than you. I think you’re over thinking this.
I think it is unironically very funny to assert something is real just because it’s normalized in medicine. As we all know, medsci is historically very conscious of social and material conditions and is not subject to the distortions of the classes of people who have access to that authority, and no new research is relevant ever. I guess that means black women really do feel less pain, trans people only started existing forty years ago, and skulls can actually teach us about racial intelligence (people were arguing for phrenology until the late twentieth century). That you’re arguing this during a period where eating disorders are very visible in popular culture is also just too perfect. Could you then, cite any articles or studies you’ve engaged with to build your oh-so-well-informed-and-underthought worldview? I have just a few off the top of my list:
The Obesity Myth: Why America’s Obsession with Weight Is Hazardous to your Health, Campos, 2004.
Yamawaki, Niwako, Christina Riley, Claudia Rasmussen, and Mary Cook, “The Effects of Obesity Myths on Perceptions of Sexual Assault Victims and Perpetrators’ Credibility,” Journal of Interpersonal Violence 33 (4): 662-85, 2018.
Ramos, Salas, X, M Forhan, and A. M Sharma, “Diffusing Obesity Myths,” Clinical Obesity, 4(3), 2014.
Pollack, Catherine C, “Characterizing the Prevalence of Obesity Misinformation, Factual Content, Stigma, and Positivity on the Social Media Platform Reddit Between 2011 and 2019: Infodemiology Study,” Journal of Medical Internet Research, 24 (12), 2022.
Lindeman, Tracey, Bleed: Destroying Myths and Misogyny in Endometriosis Care, 2024.
https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/a23-refcomm-d-annotated.pdf (2023 American Medical Association House of Delegates statement against the use of BMI).
There’s some social and medical criticisms of the concept of obesity as well as how it is measured and medicalized.
This is all of course besides the fact that, regardless of whether obesity is understood properly, its presence in this original joke is in fact still fascist and still functions to normalize the fundamental values of fatphobia as they intersect with transphobia, racism, misogyny, and ableism. “I think you’re over thinking this,” is a staple phrase of fascism. Maybe you should fucking think a bit.
