But as doctors, was there no fight back against this. I don’t know how. But genuinely asking. Like if a plumbers knew some new law came in that endangered people and they just went with it, are they not responsible

Is that how a proper society works.

But how do you think that happens. You need to sustain cultural relevance but we gave up a presence on cultural platforms

Is your argument that Chinese government is not using technology to restrict freedoms?

How is that being upvoted

I would say that decades of western Hollywood has primed the population to mistrust any new technology and only see potential dystopian ends in exchange for entertainment. Combined with China spreading propaganda to encourage those views in western nations. Sites like lemmy and Facebook are heavily used as generators to spread mistrust.

Right but so are people. This was all inevitable from the start. Much worse stuff is coming. People should have been embracing methods to avoid this stuff decades ago. I’m not just talking about using a fucking ad blocker. There needed to be measures to fuck with data collection. Become hostile to any site’s or content creators looking to sell viewers anything. Run applications that could feed junk data back to sites.

Had people started earlier they wouldn’t be facing the giant industry that grew out of a digital spaces that welcomed the things that eventually grew into this data collection beast we all knew were coming.

Yea it’s unfortunate the Republicans are in power. They would have done something about this.

Any new technology instantly gets turned into some new boogeyman instead of being embraced. Works out great for China when western people become luddite at a very critical window of opportunity from emerging technology. You’d almost think China has a strong ability to flood western sites with propaganda.

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Well this is where you normally would protest until they did their job. Except some one convinced everybody to blow their load with no kings 24 protest-a-thon

This is just an observation and my opinion. My point is that this the past 10 years we’ve commercialized digital spaces for selling off to marketers and advertisers that it is now ingrained in how we create new spaces. Regardless if it is consciously or unconsciously. Lemmy is still new, but the behavior and rules and actions were recreated here.

The goal is to box everything. Everything in its box. Tightly controlled and and categorized. This way the space is ready to be sold. It sucks the air out of places. It leaves no room to build momentum or originality. But there’s very safe.

I came to lemmy thinking it would be a space for old school pre corporate internet users. A place where people wanted to create something that was primarily leftist who wanted to work towards what we once had. Instead it was the opposite of that.

Lemmy seems like a place where people just want to recreate corporate spaces. People here don’t want to change anything instead they want to solidify the stuff that already doesn’t work. As long as you can sell these communities to advertisers then they’re happy as can be.

Stop. It could have been. But it isn’t. Your phrasing it as “it was never going to be” is lazy. It could have definitely been better.

Instead lemmy seems to want to be the parts of reddit where everything is highlight moderated. Every topic is put into a tight box that sucks the oxygen out quickly. Something about beans and moths

😆 as funny as that would be, not sure what the charge would be.

Would totally love to see some real politicians step up and demand investigations and charges.

But we hate Trump, bigotry, racism.

This can’t be the answer. What is the difference?

Who? For what?

I see it more like a new frontier opened up and everybody gathered their supplies and such and headed west.

It was a race to be the first one to set camp and claim land. End of the day it was a numbers game. The left didn’t put up the numbers and in some cases they worked against themselves. This generation saw a new frontier and went “bah” but now those frontiers are where young men and women are getting their information, beliefs and ideas from. They will one day be the next general making decisions. How long until MAGA looks plain Jane compared to the people being raised today

I’m going to offer my call to action that also gets shot down often but I want people to consider it honestly. I know it sounds crazy. It’s not fully fleshed out. But I believe efforts need to be more focused online. It is anonymous. They can’t beat your head in. The authoritarians invest heavily in it. The weakness in their efforts is that the thing they need to invest in can easily be leveraged by us to also spread an idea just like a protest. Except with so much less effort and risk.

What I want people to consider honestly is that I think the proof that this is where we need to focus is that the powers that be are actually trying to dismantle our ability to do this before we wise up to it. This is why they’re trying to introduce digital id’s. It’ll let them be able to identify leaders and voices online who organize and censor them. Right now they cannot do that easily. But they know if those 700 million people that showed up in the streets would instead show up online, their bots, propaganda and efforts would be crushed. You can control the narrative and flip it all back on them. I think we have wrongly been telling people to abandon all the social media we can. To block everyone. To ignore it all. I think that is contributing to all our countries sliding towards the right. We gave them all red carpet access to the eyes and ears of most people. Instead we should encourage each other to connect online. Take control of the platforms again and only then consider going back to the streets when the narrative can be controlled and messages spread.

My issue is this clearly doesn’t work. You’re being mislead that this works. You had 700 million people out there and nothing happened.

But 700 million people used in new and strategic ways can move mountains. Literally. But instead of moving mountains, you’re just in a street for a day.

Think about this. Protesting isn’t new. It’s occurred since the 1900s as a way to force government and the rich to bend to our will through collective action.

Do you people think that the rich and powerful haven’t solved this problem yet? Just think about it for even 10 minutes. It makes no sense that this type of collective action could ever work in today’s world like it has in the past. Say what you like about authoritarians, but they do coordinate and plan. Just look at all the events they attend with each other. It’s not just for drinks and cocktails. They use their resources to prevent us from taking their power away. They have created thick manuals for this very specific form of soft fleshy crowd. The powers that be have paid for the smartest Ivy league quants to think of strategy and tactics like an NFL coach does when reviewing games. They’re so ahead of us on this. The rich control the media. The same media that many of us decided is not important to use anymore or maintain connections on. The media they have heavily invested in. Turns out that this media is needed. If we don’t have a presence on social media then we cannot share our efforts. Without that media, the authoritarians can make this effort into anything they want.

If i was a rich guy I’d love these protests because it gives me an opportunity to arrest and financial bankrupt any of the leaders. So when I see that people are getting angry and there is this potential energy that could erupt against my class, then I can use the media to plan these things. When you all show up, the police can identify the leaders and arrest and charge them after kicking in their heads. The rest go home after 24 hrs. With the pressure now released, there will be another year before I need to rinse and repeat.

Compare this to say the clownvoy. They were connected to the police. The tow truck drivers that would be needed to remove trucks after an arrest were in support of them. They made it family fun with bbq and trampolines and bouncy castles and hot tubs because do you think police want to deal with any of that after they clear it all out. Every part of the clownvoy was set up to mess with the playbook that Authoritarians use to disrupt protests. That is what is lacking on the left. But there are leaders in the left who seem hell bent on maintaining status quo. But people are waking up slowly. The problem with doing these things slow is it gives the Authorities time to adapt. There needs to be serious critical honesty reflection on the left towards how badly these protests have damaged and harmed progress. Digging in is only going to keep the status quo which right now is causing huge losses day by day.

Right after I posted I saw this exemple of media being used in the way I described. My Facebook is getting filled with the posts rapidly. Take those same 700 million people and just image what you could do online with them.