They are making money, don’t confuse a lack of profit because of reinvest for failure. Amazon “lost” money for almost a decade.

Not every company needs to succeed either. Plenty of dead companies from the dot com bubble bursting, yet digital companies are more profitable than ever.

You clearly didn’t read the data. It wouldn’t matter if google was using 10x more. The difference between billions and quadrillions is literally a million times.

You’re doing the same shit on 100 different technologies that existed before LLMs but only this is a step too far?

Use your critical thinking skills.

Nah, these data centers are not even worth talking about being bad for the environment compared to almost everything else we do. Trying to use that as a primary focus here is just people looking for an excuse to hate the technology.

https://bryantresearch.co.uk/insight-items/comparing-water-footprint-ai/

Here’s a beautiful article comparing the AI industry to Cattle farming. AI data center water use is measured in tens Billions of liters, while the beef industry is measured in Quadrillions.

You already shot down your own IP argument, I don’t need to help you there. AI companies don’t disproportionately steal from small creators, They may have done more of that in the first few iterations, but the datasets simply don’t do that anymore. There’s no need, they can train it on clean data, then just pull live from the web for specifics now.

I am dripping condescension because it’s fucking stupid. There are plenty of horrible things happening in the world today, AI datacenters are so far down the list that they do not deserve the amount of effort people are putting in to hate them while far more significant things go un-recognized. The reason for this? Because people are being misled, and instead of figuring out things themselves they take the shit they read at face value.

When I see people begin their Anti-AI arguements with “it’s bad for the environment” I tune out completely. These motherfuckers have been driving gasoline powered vehicles around for decades, and are totally fine with natural gas fired power plants.

Fuck off.

Theft of ideas and IP?

Buddy, do you not fucking understand how society has improved over the last 10 thousand years? We even have a saying for it, “standing on the shoulders of giants” which as a saying/concept has been around for about the last 800 fucking years, and was made or remembered famously from Issac Newton in 1675.

If we didn’t use the ideas and learning from those that came before us, we’d still be living in caves.

Do you know what’s more recent than that saying? The entire concept of Intellectual property. Which has only been around a bit more than 500 years.

Buddy is complaining about giving money to large companies, then you look at their linked in profile and see a job history that includes Dropbox, Scribe, and a for-profit healthcare company.

which can be heard for hundreds of feet around them

From that linked article.

Hundreds of feet!

They aren’t building these 50 feet from residential properties. I don’t think this is an actual issue.

Watermarks for AI content is a non-starter, there’s no possible way to enforce this. Pandora’s box has been opened, and even if you mandated all the big AI companies do it, the open source models that exist (or will be developed) will be available to bypass it.

Nothing wrong with charging actual costs for electricity or expanding the grid with renewables. These are actually relevant ideas.

Noise pollution? I haven’t heard that one before. As long as the data centers aren’t running generators, the noise from them should be lower than almost any other industrial user.

Your statement is extremely ambiguous.

Will it be able to fully replace any single task? It already can.

Will it be able to replace every single task a human can do? Probably at some point.

A lot of that comes down to what a “task” is.

To some extent, yes, however, the companies building these systems are using heavily curated data for most of the things where that would matter. They aren’t just letting it free on the whole internet at this point, it would be absolutely useless.

If you think that isn’t factored in, you aren’t paying attention to how traders work.

The value is defined the same way we currently do it for property taxes, there’s no real change needed there.

There is already an option to give up land, and yes that should continue. The government can just take it back and sell it to someone who wants it.

Yes, it would discourage the use of land for unproductive purposes. For business purposes (which I assume is what you’re talking about) businesses that need large amounts of land would likely just be further out from the most desirable land locations. In desirable areas, multi-story offices, malls, etc. would be the norm to handle commercial uses. Strip malls and massive parking lots can die a horrible death and I would be pleased as a peach.

As for the income tax thing, that really depends on your jurisdiction. The amount for the UBI would directly be set based on the amount of the tax to offset a “normal” usage of property, a family of 4 in a 3-4 room townhouse in a city shouldn’t pay any more under the new system. A family of 3 in a condo would probably end up with more money, and a retired couple in a detached house near downtown would pay significantly more (or likely sell and move). Some ultra-rich jackass in a mansion 20 minutes from the core would just have to pay to keep the privledge of doing that.

Also this is practically mass expropriation, at that point you might as well sozialise the land and then rent them out/provide universal housing directly

This system doesn’t remove the ownership aspects that come with private property, which means it provides people with choice and control that would be lost with a socialized/government run housing system.

At the end of the day though it encourages more efficient use of land, removes investment in land for speculative purposes, and by both reducing prices and removing income taxes and/or UBI benefits working people over investment/capital.

People can own houses, I have no issue with that.

What should happen is a land value tax, which only applies to the land and not the building. It should be a very large percentage of the value of the property each year.

This does 2 things,

First it drops the value of homes. Significantly. People will not be willing to buy a million dollar home if the yearly tax is $150,000 so the seller is likely only going to get $200-300k, and the tax will be more like $30-50k a year at that point. The tax dollars should be offset by either reducing income taxes or providing a basic income. That way even though the tax seems stupidly high, it’s partially balanced out by tax savings.

Second thing it does is massively encourage development of desirable properties. Since the tax is on land and not the building if you have an apartment you’re going to pay a much smaller amount of tax than on a detached house.

Obviously the value of land is higher in cities already so detached houses in rural areas are less affected for those that choose to live in less desirable areas.

Yes it is.

Even if they never sell and die in the home the children still inherit it and then often sell it off.

However most people sell and downsize or move into a home and use that money they made to fund their retirement partially.

“The Capitalists want it all”

You’re right, but you’re probably also imagining the wrong people.

The US residential real estate market is valued at around 60 TRILLION dollars.

And around 65% of residential properties are owned by the family that live in them.

The vast majority of that wealth is owned by Grandpa and Grandma if they’re still alive, or Mom and Dad if they aren’t.

In comparison, the total wealth of all billionaires added together in the US is just 8 Trillion.

We need to understand that in order to fix the cost of living issues, we need to DESTROY the real estate market as an investment, both for super wealthy people and corporations, but MORE importantly for regular everyday people.

George was right, we need Land Value Taxes.

That’s why you don’t see animals expending energy all the time;

Go to a dog park and tell me those fuckers aren’t enjoying themselves running around.

Most animals play around, you just don’t see it in a city much.