2018 makes more sense, that’s when backup cameras were mandatory so since they were putting in a screen manufacturers made every car have an ‘infotainment’ center and with all of that processing power comes logging and other privacy invading features.
Hm. Well I certainly agree that privacy invasive stuff is absolutely unwelcome but I’m also a pretty big fan of backup cameras. I bought a 2023 and while it does have the “infotainment” and backup can, outside of that it’s all quite dum and everything outside of like bluetooth paring and general infotainment stuff is all physical buttons.
So really my point is while it is unusual, even brand new vehicles can manage to avoid the privacy nightmare.
Oh yeah, I like backup cameras too and they’re probably saving a lot of people from injury or death. Very much worth requiring, IMO.
It’s just the fact that many of these companies saw the opportunity to monetize the hardware that regulations were forcing them to install so we started seeing a lot more “data harvesting”.
If you were going to pick a year to avoid, 2018 makes logical sense from that perspective.
Naaaaah, my 2016 RAV4 Hybrid is balling. Back up camera, 360 sensors, remote start, heated seats, medium screen with buttons and knobs instead of touch, push start, stick shift, and the best part: no wifi on-board (through my phone only). Cars peaked right here.
Yeah agreed. One of the great things about the outback is there’s a DIY group around it. So there’s a lot of YouTube videos out there on car maintenance and upgrades etc
So that kind of where I’m at with it these days too
honestly i haven’t been able to fix anything myself since my 1989 three horsepower crapstack. not enough room in the engine compartment. I’ve got a good mechanic tho, so it’s not too much of a problem.
I like fixing my own crap and used to fix laptops and the like in my old job. I am fairly comfortable working on anything 2008 and before, basicly as long as the car is not using fucking canbus or serialized parts. Had enough canbus in my life from the damned German cash recyclers.
Why 2016 specifically?
It depends on the make but that’s when I feel cars tipped the scale to becoming appliances
2018 makes more sense, that’s when backup cameras were mandatory so since they were putting in a screen manufacturers made every car have an ‘infotainment’ center and with all of that processing power comes logging and other privacy invading features.
Hm. Well I certainly agree that privacy invasive stuff is absolutely unwelcome but I’m also a pretty big fan of backup cameras. I bought a 2023 and while it does have the “infotainment” and backup can, outside of that it’s all quite dum and everything outside of like bluetooth paring and general infotainment stuff is all physical buttons.
So really my point is while it is unusual, even brand new vehicles can manage to avoid the privacy nightmare.
Oh yeah, I like backup cameras too and they’re probably saving a lot of people from injury or death. Very much worth requiring, IMO.
It’s just the fact that many of these companies saw the opportunity to monetize the hardware that regulations were forcing them to install so we started seeing a lot more “data harvesting”.
If you were going to pick a year to avoid, 2018 makes logical sense from that perspective.
Really I don’t go past 2008 myself. That was a cliff car manufactures went off after the sub prime mortgage fun fun time.
Naaaaah, my 2016 RAV4 Hybrid is balling. Back up camera, 360 sensors, remote start, heated seats, medium screen with buttons and knobs instead of touch, push start, stick shift, and the best part: no wifi on-board (through my phone only). Cars peaked right here.
I have a 2016 outback. No android auto… But I’m in the same boat. Backup camera. Sensors self driving no wifi no forced updates. Etc.
I don’t need anything more.
Praying for our cars to survive at least another 15 years, bud 🙏
I daily a 1985, how boned do you think I am?
Yeah agreed. One of the great things about the outback is there’s a DIY group around it. So there’s a lot of YouTube videos out there on car maintenance and upgrades etc So that kind of where I’m at with it these days too
Oh, your going to fix that yourself? Or pay someone to do it?
honestly i haven’t been able to fix anything myself since my 1989 three horsepower crapstack. not enough room in the engine compartment. I’ve got a good mechanic tho, so it’s not too much of a problem.
I like fixing my own crap and used to fix laptops and the like in my old job. I am fairly comfortable working on anything 2008 and before, basicly as long as the car is not using fucking canbus or serialized parts. Had enough canbus in my life from the damned German cash recyclers.
My motto is, it’s already broke what more can I do to it
If it ain’t ain’t broke, don’t not fix it.