Hungarian election-winner Magyar says country ‘liberated’, Orban concedes defeat
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The outgoing Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban conceded defeat in Sunday’s election and congratulated his opponent Peter Magyar during a brief speech at his campaign headquarters. The election saw…

Seems they can get the necessary 2/3 of the 199 seats to start righting the changes done by Orban

  • balsoft@lemmy.ml
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    7 days ago

    To be clear, Magyar is also a fascist but a bit less mask-off about his corruption. It’s a (slight) improvement but not some progressive victory it’s touted to be.

    • rainwall@piefed.socialEnglish
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      7 days ago

      How so? Hes aligned with the EU, aligned with Ukraine, and wants Russia to kick rocks. Hes also talked about unfucking hungary’s courts, media consolidation and electrion rules that the outgoing facist rigged.

      • balsoft@lemmy.ml
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        7 days ago

        He’s also extremely nationalist, anti-immigration, and his attitude to LGBT is silence (which is only marginally better than hatred)

        Hes aligned with the EU

        EU is a trading bloc and fascists love money. More extreme ones hate others more than they love money, but it’s not universal.

        aligned with Ukraine, and wants Russia to kick rocks

        There’s nothing stopping fascists from supporting Ukraine, there are plenty of nazis there too. It’s not as bad as russian propaganda makes it out to be but it is a reason why some on the right/far-right support it.

        Hes also talked about unfucking hungary’s courts, media consolidation and electrion rules that the outgoing facist rigged.

        This would be good overall. Whether he follows through with it or just re-fucks the institutions in his favor remains to be seen

        Overall I’d say he’s like a Hungarian Meloni - a fascist (or close to one) willing to cooperate with liberals to make money together.

        • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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          7 days ago

          He’s also extremely nationalist, anti-immigration, and his attitude to LGBT is silence (which is only marginally better than hatred)

          Can we stop the idpol a bit? He is also campaigning on wealth taxes, fighting back against oligarchs and corporations, anti-corruption, strong social safety nets paid by reclaimed wealth and so on.

          What do you expect a politician to be if not nationalistic? He was running for national office. If anything, he supports international collaboration with pro-EU forces in the V4. He is not even staunchly anti-immigration, the whole thing with that was just pointing out hipocrisy in the government. Same with LGBT rights, in an ideal society it should just be normal and nobody should care, especially not the government.

          • balsoft@lemmy.ml
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            7 days ago

            Can we stop the idpol a bit?

            No. Combining pseudo-socialist economic policies with conservative social policies is literally national-socialism which you might know by some other names

            He is also campaigning on wealth taxes, fighting back against oligarchs and corporations, anti-corruption, strong social safety nets paid by reclaimed wealth and so on.

            I checked the full election platform and there’s some OK stuff in there (wealth tax, increased pensions, social housing, women’s rights as workers). The rest is liberal policies (e.g. nationalizing bankrupcy and debt foreclosure agencies) and tax cuts for lower and middle class. It is for sure better than Orban but overall it’s not very progressive

            What do you expect a politician to be if not nationalistic?

            Uhhh I want my politicians to support the international working class. I expect them to not be overtly nationalist at a minimum. Internationalism is a thing.

            He is not even staunchly anti-immigration

            He said he liked Orban’s draconian immigration policies and he cracked jokes (or insane slander, hard to tell) at immigrant’s expense

            Same with LGBT rights, in an ideal society it should just be normal and nobody should care, especially not the government.

            Definitely not when the government discriminated and abused LGBT people for decades, propagandized society and stoked hatred against them. It needs to be dealt with and spoken about. We still live in a patriarchy and its victims need protection and support.

            • rhombus@sh.itjust.works
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              7 days ago

              No. Combining pseudo-socialist economic policies with conservative social policies is literally national-socialism which you might know by some other names

              Without getting into the rest of it, that is not the case whatsoever. The Nazis weren’t even pseudo-socialist, they were definitely capitalist. There was still a capitalist class profiting off of the slavery and war, but only so long as they remained loyal to the party.

              • balsoft@lemmy.ml
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                6 days ago

                The nazis absolutely did use social-populist rhetoric and promises on their way to power, and even did implement some nominally “socialist” policies like nationalization of certain war-related industries, public works, price controls, and a large degree of planning. It was also combined with union busting, privatization of other industries, huge deficit spending with intent to reclaim it with war plunder, and other obviously capitalist/imperialist moves, so it wasn’t real economic socialism of course. That said, Magyar’s platform is definitely nowhere near economic socialism either, it’s welfare capitalism at best.

    • ddplf@szmer.info
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      7 days ago

      Excuse me, what the fuck? No, Magyar is no fascist unless you’re one of these guys who just make a joke out of this word.

      He’s a Christian democrat, not alt-right. Think CDU, not AFD.

            • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
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              7 days ago

              It must be so exhausting being a tankie, always coming up with reasons why nothing is ever a good thing, no matter how severely they need to twist their logic, and smugly blaming it all on the liberals whom they call fascists while glossing over the actual fascists…

              Couldn’t be me…

                • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
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                  7 days ago

                  The fact you think a single person runs a movement or ideology shows you have no possible inkling of an idea of what you’re talking about.

                  What fact? Single person? You didn’t see, Tisza is projected to win a supermajority.

                  When Orban gets out of office, if he leaves peacefully, his movement will still be in office across the country and still have outsized political influence

                  Fidesz suffered a crushing defeat, actually.

                  You’re not only showing your ignorance but also you’re just plain wrong. And if everyone who isn’t a bolshevik is a fascist to you, then you don’t understand fascism as well as you think you do.

                  Also, you’re never gonna get enough people to participate in your “uprising” if you’re calling them all fascists for believing in democratic process. You’re doing more harm to socialism and leftism in general by making us look like the insane caricatures the right wing tries to paint us as.