• Rozaŭtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    The main reason native americans had such a hard time fighting back the europeans is that they didn’t have immunity to old world diseases. You should’ve brought vaccines.

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      You could save literally millions of lives if you could get reproducible vaccines to them. 90% of the population of the continent was killed off before white people even set foot in the area. The set foot on the coast, and disease spread outward very quickly. They walked into abandoned villages, often times. The few that lives were exterminated.

      Smallpox vaccine and Kalashnikovs. That’s the way to go.

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        Some germs and virus can survive outside of a host long enough to be carried by the wind or water. So unless they’re not breathing or drinking they’ll liable to get some infection.

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      There was also couple hundredth years of development difference between them. The rate of development depends on crops and animals available. Middle east had most of the grains we use today, pigs, cows, sheep and goats that they domesticated. Americas had only corn and llamas so the development was slower there. When Europeans came with horses, wearing armor and armed with iron swords and cannons the natives were simply unable to confront them in battle. The warrior class of native Americans (at least in South America) was also still working the fields so they were unable to wage prolonged wars. Even if they would win they would be left so weakened other tribes would defeat them soon after.

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        Wrong lesson to take away. When Europeans showed up they shat themselves at the amount of food available year round. Because “new world” natives farmed much, much higher calorie and variety of food in much much more diverse environs.

        It’s a good bet that 80+ percent of your daily food is explicitly the product of precolombian farming practises and selective breeding of crops.

        What happened was specialisation adapted to environs. You don’t plough because there are no draft animals. You don’t use wheels because the terrain won’t support it. You adapt.

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        Americas had only corn and llamas so the development was slower there

        The Americas also had varieties of squash, beans, amaranth, potato and several other crops that could be cultivated, stored and eaten. A lot of those fell out of favor because of colonialism. The lack of animal traction made the european style of farming a lot more labor intensive, but a number of native american communities simply didn’t need them.

        Outside of Central America and the Andean side of South America, there were no “great powers”, but hundreds of small, independent groups. It’s a lot easier to deal with a village that cannot call for reinforcements than a city that can. Even then, Europeans weren’t stupid and knew that they needed to ally with locals, which was key to their success.

        When Europeans came with horses, wearing armor and armed with iron swords and cannons the natives were simply unable to confront them in battle.

        Which is why they quickly learned they had to use guerilla tactics. Also, in the denser forests of Central and South Americas, cannons were usually too much of a hassle to haul and would often be more of a psychological effect than anything, since you can’t aim for shit when you can barely see 100yd in front of you due to vegetation.

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          They sure had tasty plants in the Americas but I think grain was generally easier to store over long periods of time and offer higher yields so you could feed bigger populations of people and civilization developed faster. I’m not an expert though, just what I’ve read.

          Which is why they quickly learned they had to use guerilla tactics. Also, in the denser forests of Central and South Americas, cannons were usually too much of a hassle to haul and would often be more of a psychological effect than anything, since you can’t aim for shit when you can barely see 100yd in front of you due to vegetation.

          Yes, I remember cannons mentioned mostly in the initial contact when they could still be used from ships. In land battles better weapons and armor still gave have Europeans huge advantage.