• MasterBlaster@lemmy.world
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      Well, just because our leadership is reprehensible, does not mean we are all like that.

      Do what America did until recently: welcome those who bring value to your society regardless of their origin. Many awesome people left horrible leaders to become huge assets to their new homes.

      For example: Einstein, half of Hollywood between 1933 and 1945.

      Our leaders are throwing away one of our greatest strengths. Don’t make the same stupid self defeating mistake.

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      21 days ago

      Europe profited from american imperialism for decades so please get of your high horse and do not pretend that your country is innocent.

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        20 days ago

        they didn’t accidentally fall into this gravy train, the same sort of imperial violence/coercion that the united states inflicts on the global south was also perpetrated on the western europeans; especially the italians.

        most don’t take note of it because the western euro gov’ts were in such a vulnerable state immediately after ww2 that they caved faster than the global south did.

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          All that trauma led to the Marshall plan and is why American currency is the world reserve currency.

          Our top tax rate was 90% until the mid 60’s to pay for that and the cost of the world war we initially wanted to avoid entering.

          Like it or not, the reason the U.S. system dominates now is that we built it at great cost (investment) to connect and support the developed world after massive devastation initiated on Europeans by Europeans.

          The goal was to connect everybody in mutual benefit in order to avoid another such war.

          We are all culpable for current conditions and faults. Sure, we benefitted from that aid to Europe, but not at the expense of the other participants and not without sacrifice.

          We learned from the aftermath of the first world war, when we collectively punished Germany to the point of their desperation and enabled the rise of Nazism as a response to crualty.

          Yes, the victors’ revenge and punishment brought forth hatred, cruelty, and unfathomable horror.

          Now those Germans are the backbone of European wealth generation and upstanding members of the world community. I’d say that’s a rather good outcome of post_war policy. Similar is true of Japan and Italy.

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            there was no altruism in the marshal plan, only gambits to gain leverage.

            Sure, we benefitted from that aid to Europe, but not at the expense of the other participants and not without sacrifice.

            tell that to the global south and it only lead to an epstein class so immensely rich that they’re currently capable for making us happy w sacrificing our freedoms.

            We learned from the aftermath of the first world war, when we collectively punished Germany to the point of their desperation and enabled the rise of Nazism as a response to crualty.

            germany is currently europe’s biggest support of fascism; it’s currently arresting people who peacefully protest against isreal’s genocide & ethnic cleansing of gaza while giving them military aid and diplomatic over to do the same with lebanon & iran. it’s also censuring journalists to the degree that they can’t pay rent nor feed their families and making it legally impossible for them to fight back legally for speaking out against isreal; people who try to help them are likewise censured in the same way.