There was a nationalist/fascist movement there strong enough to conduct a genocide in the 40s, so maybe not everything you dont like is a western plot?
It wasn’t very strong really, around 200-250 thousands Ukrainians fought for nazis in total, even after Germany occupied basically entire UkSSR as compared to 7 million in Red Army plus few million partisans and their supporters. Even in 1991 iirc 73% of UkSSR were against dissolution of Soviet Union and independence of Ukraine. If anything, they needed over 30 years of work and 4 prowestern coups to get Ukraine where it is today, 1991 illegal dissolution of USSR, 2004 “Orange Revolution”, 2014 Maidan and 2019 Zelensky govt being elected as peace option and instead escalating situation.
No idea where you get the numbers from, but if ~250k people is not a strong movement after 200 years of forced Polonisation and Russicization I dont know what is.
Even in 1991 iirc 73% of UkSSR were against dissolution of Soviet Union and independence of Ukraine.
Well, most of the ones who might have remembered anything but servitude were starved to death so that helps I guess. But who would even publish data like these in a collapsing state?
1991 illegal dissolution of USSR,
lol
and instead escalating situation.
Yeah, when he first used illegaly operating military personel in to size Crimea and the to be “peoples republics” and than drove Russian tanks into Ukraine that was a step to far, totally agree.
Your coherent argument was: “lol”, and your bad faith debate pervertness defending nazi state in this entire thread calls for cleaning rather than pointless discussion. Begone, fash.
How elese you expect me discuss your claim that collapse of an empire spanning half of Asia and Europe was a western coup?
And I’m literally saying there has for a long time been a strong fascist/fascist movement in Ukraine, “the west” did not have to plant it. But you have such disregard for all people outside of your sect that you can not comprehend anyone else being self steering people making their own choices, however good or bad.
BTW how could you even coup an actually communist country, where all the power is in the hands of millions of workers? If you believe it fell because of a coup you either admit that soviet union was a dictatorship with a power centralised so much it would be possible or that it was nowhere close of workers control.
Class consciousness of the butchers of Wołyń, or your just attempting to randomly signal your supposed superiority derived from having watched some Marxist tiktoks?
There was a nationalist/fascist movement there strong enough to conduct a genocide in the 40s, so maybe not everything you dont like is a western plot?
Ever heard of Gladio?
Yes. Could you people at least pretend not to think you are better than every one else?
It wasn’t very strong really, around 200-250 thousands Ukrainians fought for nazis in total, even after Germany occupied basically entire UkSSR as compared to 7 million in Red Army plus few million partisans and their supporters. Even in 1991 iirc 73% of UkSSR were against dissolution of Soviet Union and independence of Ukraine. If anything, they needed over 30 years of work and 4 prowestern coups to get Ukraine where it is today, 1991 illegal dissolution of USSR, 2004 “Orange Revolution”, 2014 Maidan and 2019 Zelensky govt being elected as peace option and instead escalating situation.
No idea where you get the numbers from, but if ~250k people is not a strong movement after 200 years of forced Polonisation and Russicization I dont know what is.
Well, most of the ones who might have remembered anything but servitude were starved to death so that helps I guess. But who would even publish data like these in a collapsing state?
lol
Yeah, when he first used illegaly operating military personel in to size Crimea and the to be “peoples republics” and than drove Russian tanks into Ukraine that was a step to far, totally agree.
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Your coherent argument was: “lol”, and your bad faith debate pervertness defending nazi state in this entire thread calls for cleaning rather than pointless discussion. Begone, fash.
How elese you expect me discuss your claim that collapse of an empire spanning half of Asia and Europe was a western coup?
And I’m literally saying there has for a long time been a strong fascist/fascist movement in Ukraine, “the west” did not have to plant it. But you have such disregard for all people outside of your sect that you can not comprehend anyone else being self steering people making their own choices, however good or bad.
BTW how could you even coup an actually communist country, where all the power is in the hands of millions of workers? If you believe it fell because of a coup you either admit that soviet union was a dictatorship with a power centralised so much it would be possible or that it was nowhere close of workers control.
it’s called a plot or conspiracy when people lack an understanding of the reality behind it.
You got a better term?
class consciousness
Class consciousness of the butchers of Wołyń, or your just attempting to randomly signal your supposed superiority derived from having watched some Marxist tiktoks?