If you can tell me which countries China is setting up neocolonies to extract all their wealth and resources from, please let me know. Whoever made this meme, please educate yourself.
Much like America’s more usual approach, it’s softer colonialism than what the Brits did.
The difference this time around though is the building of infrastructure. America didn’t do as much of that during its rise or prime. That said, it’s often just another way to get the nation indebted to China, it’s not like they’re building the projects for free and often enough the debt is more than the country in question’s economy can handle.
Colonialism is colonialism afterall.
This method is built on political manoeuvring behind the scenes through intelligence assets and corruption with infrastructural incentives masking debt slavery out in the open.
Here’s the list you asked for:
Angola, DRC, Zambia, Sudan, Mozambique, Gabon, Ethiopia, Venezuela, Brazil, Peru, Bolivia, Pakistan Kazakhstan, Myanmar, Iraq and Iran.
China is not debt trapping poor African nations. We can see that this isn’t the case when we can observe countries in BRI engaging in rapid development and industrializing, and this is confirmed by China forgiving tons of debt. The goal of China isn’t to make countries reliant on them, or to earn money from debt, it’s because China gains personally through mutual development. Here are some articles debunking the “debt trap” myth:
There are many more examples I can use. China isn’t doing this out of the goodness of their own heart, but because they stand to gain from mutual development. A more developed global south means China is less reliant on the US Empire as a customer, provides new avenues to facilitate trade, and creates more markets for customers. The west harvests the global south for cheap labor and resources, and we can see hard comparisons in data between BRI participants and those imperialized by the west to see fundamentally different results.
No? Only 2 are from China, one is from the Philippines and the other is from a Statesian organization. All of my points are from the perspective of a Marxist-Leninist, and they’ll be similar to CPC stances as the CPC is Marxist-Leninist as well. I don’t see how I’m lacking in nuance, I clearly believe what I say and have no interest in lying or presenting a position I don’t feel has sufficient evidence just for “balance.” Your comment is projection because your accusations fit the west far more than they fit China, and that’s based on hard evidence.
But you do, your post history is entirely pro China. Each article you’ve chosen is limited in scope, looks at only small details; whereas I’m coming at this from a contextual point of view. Why are you trying to pretend you haven’t cherry picked your references to suit your political leanings? It’s baffling.
Also, Marxist-Leninist fits, thanks for your honesty. I’m with Lenin, up until he calls for a continuous revolution against all political opponents: that’s the point at which a righteous revolution turns into tyranny.
From my point of view, colonialism regardless of the flavour of it, serves only to impoverish and destroy the lives of a large number of working people. Its the opposite of what true communism should look like.
Despite this, I actually gave China a tiny bit more credit because at least they’re building infrastructure, the USA wouldn’t have done that historically. Even if that infrastructure is a debt slavery trap.
You’re welcome to think of me as loving the USA though. From where I’m sitting tonight that’s given me such a chuckle.
The key issue here is that China isn’t a colonizing country. It’s not because I’m cherry-picking, it’s because it simply doesn’t fit into the category of colonialism or neocolonialism, or imperialism. I agree with you in saying that colonialism only serves to impoverish and destroy the lives of a large number of working people, that’s why when we analyze how BRI has lifted 40 million people out of poverty, thousands of infrastructure projects, and tens of billions in bilateral trade, this is delivering entirely different results from how the west treats the global south.
Secondly, I want to address the idea of “true communism.” Communism is not a mythological, holy form of being, it’s the process of bringing about the communist mode of production and distribution through socialism, the transition between capitalism and communism. It isn’t some religious or moral creed, but a material mode of production. Socialism in real life has warts, problems, and struggles, just like any existing system does, yet only countries building socialism seem to be held to this sense of religious purity by westerners.
Finally, regarding Lenin. Lenin’s calls for revolution against imperialism, colonialism, and the capitalist class to bring about socialism isn’t tyrannical at all, except from the perspective of imperialists, colonizers, and capitalists. Without class analysis, we ignore that the flipside is the existing tyranny of the imperialists, colonizers, and capitalists. Trading the dictatorship of the few over the many to the dictatorship of the many over the few who had absolute power in the prior system is the same way capitalism was brought about from feudalism, and is a natural human progression.
I talk about communism and socialism a lot. I care deeply about organizing for a better world, and I enjoy discussing it with others. That’s it.
Hong Kong was seeking independence after the treaty that ceded it to Britain expired. China occupied the island and violently put down resistance.
Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Djibouti, Bangladesh, and Cambodia have all had valuable trade capability strong-armed away from them by China, who exploited financial instability to establish century-long leases on all maritime activity from their premiere port cities. This is in service to their “String of Pearls” geopolitical strategy to expand their naval trade and military power projection.
The Belt and Road initiative is part free economic zone, part debt-trap, as it forces low-income nations such as Tanzania, Pakistan, and the DRC into loan schemes that will take generations to repay, offering the ceding of key natural resources as a quick and easy out.
They have claimed the entire South China Sea as natural maritime territory without the consent or agreement of Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, or Taiwan. This is speculated to be a move against Taiwan, specifically. But the outcome is the same: Heightened tensions between neighbors and the claiming of sea lanes that are not theirs.
If you can tell me which countries China is setting up neocolonies to extract all their wealth and resources from, please let me know. Whoever made this meme, please educate yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiative
Much like America’s more usual approach, it’s softer colonialism than what the Brits did.
The difference this time around though is the building of infrastructure. America didn’t do as much of that during its rise or prime. That said, it’s often just another way to get the nation indebted to China, it’s not like they’re building the projects for free and often enough the debt is more than the country in question’s economy can handle.
Colonialism is colonialism afterall.
This method is built on political manoeuvring behind the scenes through intelligence assets and corruption with infrastructural incentives masking debt slavery out in the open.
Here’s the list you asked for:
Angola, DRC, Zambia, Sudan, Mozambique, Gabon, Ethiopia, Venezuela, Brazil, Peru, Bolivia, Pakistan Kazakhstan, Myanmar, Iraq and Iran.
This is pure projection.
China is not debt trapping poor African nations. We can see that this isn’t the case when we can observe countries in BRI engaging in rapid development and industrializing, and this is confirmed by China forgiving tons of debt. The goal of China isn’t to make countries reliant on them, or to earn money from debt, it’s because China gains personally through mutual development. Here are some articles debunking the “debt trap” myth:
Five Imperialist Myths About China’s Role in Africa
China debt trap? PH an ‘expert in bad loans,’ Locsin says
Deborah Brautigam Debunks the Chinese Debt Trap Theory in New Research Paper
China’s Debt Relief for Africa: Emerging Deliberations
There are many more examples I can use. China isn’t doing this out of the goodness of their own heart, but because they stand to gain from mutual development. A more developed global south means China is less reliant on the US Empire as a customer, provides new avenues to facilitate trade, and creates more markets for customers. The west harvests the global south for cheap labor and resources, and we can see hard comparisons in data between BRI participants and those imperialized by the west to see fundamentally different results.
All your links are media arms of the Chinese government.
All of your points are quite literally Chinese governmental talking points with no nuance and no analysis from any point of view that isn’t pro-China.
And you call my post projection.
No? Only 2 are from China, one is from the Philippines and the other is from a Statesian organization. All of my points are from the perspective of a Marxist-Leninist, and they’ll be similar to CPC stances as the CPC is Marxist-Leninist as well. I don’t see how I’m lacking in nuance, I clearly believe what I say and have no interest in lying or presenting a position I don’t feel has sufficient evidence just for “balance.” Your comment is projection because your accusations fit the west far more than they fit China, and that’s based on hard evidence.
I have no horse in the colonial race.
But you do, your post history is entirely pro China. Each article you’ve chosen is limited in scope, looks at only small details; whereas I’m coming at this from a contextual point of view. Why are you trying to pretend you haven’t cherry picked your references to suit your political leanings? It’s baffling.
Also, Marxist-Leninist fits, thanks for your honesty. I’m with Lenin, up until he calls for a continuous revolution against all political opponents: that’s the point at which a righteous revolution turns into tyranny.
From my point of view, colonialism regardless of the flavour of it, serves only to impoverish and destroy the lives of a large number of working people. Its the opposite of what true communism should look like.
Despite this, I actually gave China a tiny bit more credit because at least they’re building infrastructure, the USA wouldn’t have done that historically. Even if that infrastructure is a debt slavery trap.
You’re welcome to think of me as loving the USA though. From where I’m sitting tonight that’s given me such a chuckle.
The key issue here is that China isn’t a colonizing country. It’s not because I’m cherry-picking, it’s because it simply doesn’t fit into the category of colonialism or neocolonialism, or imperialism. I agree with you in saying that colonialism only serves to impoverish and destroy the lives of a large number of working people, that’s why when we analyze how BRI has lifted 40 million people out of poverty, thousands of infrastructure projects, and tens of billions in bilateral trade, this is delivering entirely different results from how the west treats the global south.
Secondly, I want to address the idea of “true communism.” Communism is not a mythological, holy form of being, it’s the process of bringing about the communist mode of production and distribution through socialism, the transition between capitalism and communism. It isn’t some religious or moral creed, but a material mode of production. Socialism in real life has warts, problems, and struggles, just like any existing system does, yet only countries building socialism seem to be held to this sense of religious purity by westerners.
Finally, regarding Lenin. Lenin’s calls for revolution against imperialism, colonialism, and the capitalist class to bring about socialism isn’t tyrannical at all, except from the perspective of imperialists, colonizers, and capitalists. Without class analysis, we ignore that the flipside is the existing tyranny of the imperialists, colonizers, and capitalists. Trading the dictatorship of the few over the many to the dictatorship of the many over the few who had absolute power in the prior system is the same way capitalism was brought about from feudalism, and is a natural human progression.
I talk about communism and socialism a lot. I care deeply about organizing for a better world, and I enjoy discussing it with others. That’s it.
Philippines?
Hong Kong was seeking independence after the treaty that ceded it to Britain expired. China occupied the island and violently put down resistance.
Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Djibouti, Bangladesh, and Cambodia have all had valuable trade capability strong-armed away from them by China, who exploited financial instability to establish century-long leases on all maritime activity from their premiere port cities. This is in service to their “String of Pearls” geopolitical strategy to expand their naval trade and military power projection.
The Belt and Road initiative is part free economic zone, part debt-trap, as it forces low-income nations such as Tanzania, Pakistan, and the DRC into loan schemes that will take generations to repay, offering the ceding of key natural resources as a quick and easy out.
They have claimed the entire South China Sea as natural maritime territory without the consent or agreement of Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, or Taiwan. This is speculated to be a move against Taiwan, specifically. But the outcome is the same: Heightened tensions between neighbors and the claiming of sea lanes that are not theirs.