Hong Kong, the place leased to Britain (probably unfairly/forcibly given British history) and subsequently returned to China at the end of the lease?
Edit-addendum: Also isn’t Taiwan still functionally sovereign? It was just the remnants of China’s old government pre-CPC. They’ve moved closer, voluntarily, to the PRC in recent years, especially with all the recent western aggression in the world in general.
What… what do you think modern Chinese history is? While it’s widely regarded as over, no peace treaty was ever signed. And while the KMT dictatorship lost power across the Taiwan islands in 1981, the resulting pseudo-government that formed afterwards also failed to introduce any cessation of hostilities. Hell right up until 1973 the KMT still wanted to invade the mainland again.
This war, like the Korean war, never ended. There was no formal end to either war, simply a continued pause in the hostilities. Worse, for your position, there is no active ceasefire agreement between the PRC and the pseudo-government on the island. The sole reason hostilities stopped in 1965 was because the US dedicated a carrier group to the area (and all the CIA-backed KMT soldiers that sheltered in Burma were finally routed and slowed their terror attacks down to focus on running drugs). At this point the PRC has dedicated itself to a peaceful unification, which has been the PRC’s position since 1965 when it was clear the few thousand remaining KMT soldiers could do no harm to mainland Chinese citizens and the need to be ever ready for war was taking far too many resources.
I’m aware.
But practically, that’s a difference without distinction. The majority of the rest of the world considers Taiwan to be a sovereign nation, and Taiwan has been acting as such for a long time. Functionally, that argument is the same as Russia is making with Ukraine, and technicalities over academic language doesn’t change that.
North Korea and South Korea are de facto separate countries, even though their civil war technically didn’t end. If the south invaded the North, that’d be the same.
If you think what China does to Muslims is bad you should see what Taiwan was like before China invaded. Seriously look up how they treated their criminals.
Have you ever asked Tibetan people what they believe? There is literally not any significant Tibet independence movement within China, Tibet is its own autonomous region in China with special rights and higher autonomy than most other provinces, and the culture, religion and language are respected.
Damn, that’s racist. Can’t help yourself but call them yellow, can you?
It’s not imperialist to liberate your own country from serfdom or slavery. Would you look at the northern states in the US liberating the slaves in the south and accuse people who supported that of “White Man’s Burden” shit? What a load of racist bullshit and slavery apologia. The fuck is wrong with you?
Are you seriously trying to pretend to be a leftist while defending serfdom and calling Asians yellow?
Tibet was part of China since at least the 18th century. After the fall of the Qing, countless little warlord states sprung up all over China, including Tibet. For some reason, some Westerners decided that one of those warlord states was legitimate. Don’t know why you never talk about all the other ones.
I say some Westerners, because the only state that ever actually recognized Tibet as independent was Mongolia. The US fully supported Chinese claims over Tibet before the communists won, and never recognized it as independent even afterwards, nor has any other country. Even Taiwan claims, and has always claimed, Tibet as a part of China.
But you don’t know shit about that. You saw a slogan saying “Free Tibet!” and latched onto it with zero knowledge of the actual history, because it sounded nice and China Bad (those “yellows!”)
I’ll tell you what doesn’t sound so nice: Being forced to work to death and dying at 30. Which is exactly how things were in Tibet before the revolution reached their region. Under Communist leadership, the government poured resources into it and other poor remote regions and doubled the life expectancy. By any objective metric, quality of life greatly improved in Tibet once people were liberated from living in serfdom under, again, a literal theocracy.
By contrast, Texas had only been part of the US for 16 years when they tried to secede to maintain their system of slavery. Not that it really matters, but 16 years is a hell of lot flimsier than 200 years in terms of sovereignty. What does really matter is the absolutely deplorable, unforgivable conditions that the lamas (like the Confederate slavers) kept the people in, which again, you don’t know shit about, because you didn’t do your goddamn homework.
Have you ever heard of Tibet?
Hong Kong? Taiwan?
China has been acting like shit in Hong Kong, but it was originally Chinese territory. So I wouldn’t count that as imperialism.
China’s behavior in the South China Sea is a much better example.
Hong Kong, the place leased to Britain (probably unfairly/forcibly given British history) and subsequently returned to China at the end of the lease?
Edit-addendum: Also isn’t Taiwan still functionally sovereign? It was just the remnants of China’s old government pre-CPC. They’ve moved closer, voluntarily, to the PRC in recent years, especially with all the recent western aggression in the world in general.
Taiwan? You mean the city where all the landlords fled from Mao’s revolution and have been propped up by western imperialists powers ever since?
Literal definition of “no true Scotsman”
‘hey maybe an active civil war isn’t an example of imperialism’
“HURR DURR NO TRUE SCOTSMANNN”
“active civil war”
LOL stay on your meds, kids
What… what do you think modern Chinese history is? While it’s widely regarded as over, no peace treaty was ever signed. And while the KMT dictatorship lost power across the Taiwan islands in 1981, the resulting pseudo-government that formed afterwards also failed to introduce any cessation of hostilities. Hell right up until 1973 the KMT still wanted to invade the mainland again.
This war, like the Korean war, never ended. There was no formal end to either war, simply a continued pause in the hostilities. Worse, for your position, there is no active ceasefire agreement between the PRC and the pseudo-government on the island. The sole reason hostilities stopped in 1965 was because the US dedicated a carrier group to the area (and all the CIA-backed KMT soldiers that sheltered in Burma were finally routed and slowed their terror attacks down to focus on running drugs). At this point the PRC has dedicated itself to a peaceful unification, which has been the PRC’s position since 1965 when it was clear the few thousand remaining KMT soldiers could do no harm to mainland Chinese citizens and the need to be ever ready for war was taking far too many resources.
I’m aware.
But practically, that’s a difference without distinction. The majority of the rest of the world considers Taiwan to be a sovereign nation, and Taiwan has been acting as such for a long time. Functionally, that argument is the same as Russia is making with Ukraine, and technicalities over academic language doesn’t change that.
North Korea and South Korea are de facto separate countries, even though their civil war technically didn’t end. If the south invaded the North, that’d be the same.
If you think what China does to Muslims is bad you should see what Taiwan was like before China invaded. Seriously look up how they treated their criminals.
That has no bearing on whether their actions were that of an imperialist.
It’s wild that you think that China committing genocide is somehow a defense to literally anything.
Give me one scholarly source that calls it a genocide
You sound like people claiming the US invaded Afghanistan to save the women
Whataboutism
Yes? Yes?
Have you ever asked Tibetan people what they believe? There is literally not any significant Tibet independence movement within China, Tibet is its own autonomous region in China with special rights and higher autonomy than most other provinces, and the culture, religion and language are respected.
How are y’all still upset that your little slave-owning, theocratic warlord state got liberatated 70 years ago?
The excuse of every imperialist. Even using the word “liberated”. Yellow man’s burden?
Damn, that’s racist. Can’t help yourself but call them yellow, can you?
It’s not imperialist to liberate your own country from serfdom or slavery. Would you look at the northern states in the US liberating the slaves in the south and accuse people who supported that of “White Man’s Burden” shit? What a load of racist bullshit and slavery apologia. The fuck is wrong with you?
Are you seriously trying to pretend to be a leftist while defending serfdom and calling Asians yellow?
Tibet was not China’s “own country”. It was imperialistically annexed.
That’s completely false.
Tibet was part of China since at least the 18th century. After the fall of the Qing, countless little warlord states sprung up all over China, including Tibet. For some reason, some Westerners decided that one of those warlord states was legitimate. Don’t know why you never talk about all the other ones.
I say some Westerners, because the only state that ever actually recognized Tibet as independent was Mongolia. The US fully supported Chinese claims over Tibet before the communists won, and never recognized it as independent even afterwards, nor has any other country. Even Taiwan claims, and has always claimed, Tibet as a part of China.
But you don’t know shit about that. You saw a slogan saying “Free Tibet!” and latched onto it with zero knowledge of the actual history, because it sounded nice and China Bad (those “yellows!”)
I’ll tell you what doesn’t sound so nice: Being forced to work to death and dying at 30. Which is exactly how things were in Tibet before the revolution reached their region. Under Communist leadership, the government poured resources into it and other poor remote regions and doubled the life expectancy. By any objective metric, quality of life greatly improved in Tibet once people were liberated from living in serfdom under, again, a literal theocracy.
By contrast, Texas had only been part of the US for 16 years when they tried to secede to maintain their system of slavery. Not that it really matters, but 16 years is a hell of lot flimsier than 200 years in terms of sovereignty. What does really matter is the absolutely deplorable, unforgivable conditions that the lamas (like the Confederate slavers) kept the people in, which again, you don’t know shit about, because you didn’t do your goddamn homework.
This is what you’re defending in your ignorance.
Hey it’s OBJECTION being up voted by their own alt accounts again! What a loser lol
Lol, sure buddy.
Yes?