But are these anti-jewish depictions or are they caricatures? Pretty sure those anti-jewish depictions were caricatures in the first place so hmmm. Is there any proof that this isn’t a common way to depict politicians in the UK? Because it feels like typical caricatures.
I’ll start by saying I’m not Jewish or a expert in Jewish caricature history so grain of salt:
I’d say top left gets a pass. top right is literally the greedy merchant meme and it barely looks like him. even if it did look like him, you should still be careful not to invoke the Nazi depictions.
bottom right would normally have the highest benefit of the doubt, except Slimer has a very distinct large tongue and they couldn’t help but give him a forked tongue.
Bottom left doesn’t look like him at all. So it would get a pass but it feels like they focused so much on his nose that they forgot to make it resemble him. So that’s also suspect but eh, whatever.
Top right and bottom right are def antisemitic imo. they definitely knew what they were doing, and if you think there’s plausible deniability, that was part of the calculation.
bottom left: extremified features are typical of caricatures
bottom right: snake tounge is a descriptor of politicians it means liar it doesn’t mean jewish.
Search up UK political caricatures these are really typical. It’s probably got a lot more to do with oldmate having stereotypical features and being a politician than anything else based on available information.
they definitely knew what they were doing, and if you think there’s plausible deniability, that was part of the calculation.
Can you frame it as a whole problem and not a “it’s okay for some groups of people but not okay for other groups of people” problem where you want to act like treating people different based on their race or religion is moral?
What? Context exists. Historically, we’ve enslaved peoples, we’ve genocided peoples, and so on. And yes, sometimes yhis entails different treatment of those peoples to right those wrongs. Pretending otherwise is some white lives matter shit.
It is worse to say the n word than it is to say cracker, and I will die on that hill.
Exactly context exists. So why is it totally thrown out in your argument? Political satire is the prevailing context, political caricatures. By nature they are meant to be offensive.
It is worse to say the n word than it is to say cracker, and I will die on that hill.
That is false equivalence. Also comparing the n-word to ''loud poor idiot" is wild.
Making an offensive depiction of a black person is not racist. Making an offensive depiction of a jewish person is not anti-jewish. And as long as we are getting offended on behalf of entire groups, I am offended on behalf of all black and all jewish people because you think they are so tribally thin skinned that they need special protections against something the other ethnicity politicians hang on their walls.
Hey let me try one : So because movies had racist depictions of black people, no black people should be allowed in movies? Actually that isn’t such far off false equivalence now is it? That is what you want for political satire.
E:Look up street caricature artists some funny shit out there dude lighten up fight an actual problem talk to an actual activist see where your efforts will be valued.
it’s the fake equality concern. you’re arguing for equal treatment to groups that are not on equal ground to begin with. yeah some things are more ok for some people than it is for others because historical context exists. a black man can say cracker all day and all night and it wouldn’t be as bad as a white man saying the n word once. tough shit.
These things are not comparable. Comparing the n-word to “loud poor idiot” like they are equal is literally some of the most stupid shit I have ever heard. You have no idea what you are talking about. You can’t be infantizing people based on their race or religion that is genuinely wrong. I know you aren’t trying to be racists and anti-jewish, I know you are just stupid. Be bettter.
Like I siad you don’t know what you are talking about, I know you are just stupid. Be better. I don’t know what I am talking about but I can call out a glaring error like infantizing people over political satire that is literally just as offensive to the next person regardless of ethnicity or religion.
But are these anti-jewish depictions or are they caricatures? Pretty sure those anti-jewish depictions were caricatures in the first place so hmmm. Is there any proof that this isn’t a common way to depict politicians in the UK? Because it feels like typical caricatures.
I’ll start by saying I’m not Jewish or a expert in Jewish caricature history so grain of salt:
I’d say top left gets a pass. top right is literally the greedy merchant meme and it barely looks like him. even if it did look like him, you should still be careful not to invoke the Nazi depictions.
bottom right would normally have the highest benefit of the doubt, except Slimer has a very distinct large tongue and they couldn’t help but give him a forked tongue.
Bottom left doesn’t look like him at all. So it would get a pass but it feels like they focused so much on his nose that they forgot to make it resemble him. So that’s also suspect but eh, whatever.
Top right and bottom right are def antisemitic imo. they definitely knew what they were doing, and if you think there’s plausible deniability, that was part of the calculation.
top left: agree
top right: it’s a typical caricature
bottom left: extremified features are typical of caricatures
bottom right: snake tounge is a descriptor of politicians it means liar it doesn’t mean jewish.
Search up UK political caricatures these are really typical. It’s probably got a lot more to do with oldmate having stereotypical features and being a politician than anything else based on available information.
That is just plain false you are lying…
The same argument can be made for a minstrel style depiction of obama. It is precisely their historic use that makes them problematic.
Can you frame it as a whole problem and not a “it’s okay for some groups of people but not okay for other groups of people” problem where you want to act like treating people different based on their race or religion is moral?
What? Context exists. Historically, we’ve enslaved peoples, we’ve genocided peoples, and so on. And yes, sometimes yhis entails different treatment of those peoples to right those wrongs. Pretending otherwise is some white lives matter shit.
It is worse to say the n word than it is to say cracker, and I will die on that hill.
Exactly context exists. So why is it totally thrown out in your argument? Political satire is the prevailing context, political caricatures. By nature they are meant to be offensive.
That is false equivalence. Also comparing the n-word to ''loud poor idiot" is wild.
Making an offensive depiction of a black person is not racist. Making an offensive depiction of a jewish person is not anti-jewish. And as long as we are getting offended on behalf of entire groups, I am offended on behalf of all black and all jewish people because you think they are so tribally thin skinned that they need special protections against something the other ethnicity politicians hang on their walls.
Hey let me try one : So because movies had racist depictions of black people, no black people should be allowed in movies? Actually that isn’t such far off false equivalence now is it? That is what you want for political satire.
E:Look up street caricature artists some funny shit out there dude lighten up fight an actual problem talk to an actual activist see where your efforts will be valued.
don’t be all lives mattering this shit
Are you stupid how is that even applicable?
it’s the fake equality concern. you’re arguing for equal treatment to groups that are not on equal ground to begin with. yeah some things are more ok for some people than it is for others because historical context exists. a black man can say cracker all day and all night and it wouldn’t be as bad as a white man saying the n word once. tough shit.
These things are not comparable. Comparing the n-word to “loud poor idiot” like they are equal is literally some of the most stupid shit I have ever heard. You have no idea what you are talking about. You can’t be infantizing people based on their race or religion that is genuinely wrong. I know you aren’t trying to be racists and anti-jewish, I know you are just stupid. Be bettter.
what the fuck are you even talking about. anti Jewish? loud poor idiot? what? is this an AI bot? you’re hallucinating.
Like I siad you don’t know what you are talking about, I know you are just stupid. Be better. I don’t know what I am talking about but I can call out a glaring error like infantizing people over political satire that is literally just as offensive to the next person regardless of ethnicity or religion.