• nooch@lemmy.vg
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      11 days ago

      Because they are manufacturing consent for closing the platform, calling installing apps from other stores “sideloading” and hiding the options behind “SUPERDUPERDANGEROUS” warnings, making you wait 24h for literally just installing software on your own phone. They know 99% of people won’t even bother. It’s obvious what they want to do, this is a step back because of the outrage, have no doubts that they’re gonna keep pushing it

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        You had to enable the “installing from other sources” setting long before this change, and there are people who did that. How many of those would now stop doing that just because of the one-time wait?

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          I stopped because the phones now have a 60 second wait time. It’s frustrating when all you want to do is install something you have used forever. Fuck google

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          Untrue. You can install whatever you want on Samsung’s android variant.

          This change makes it so you can’t install software (such as F-Droid, NewPipe, Google Camera, Samsung Notes, etc.) from APK, unless you install them directly from Google’s Play Store [without going through unnecessary hoops and 24-hour delays].

          And, pretending “Samsung has been doing this for ages”, it doesn’t make it right.

          [Edit for clarity]

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            This change makes it so you can’t install software (such as F-Droid, NewPipe, Google Camera, Samsung Notes, etc.) from APK, unless you install them directly from Google’s Play Store [without going through unnecessary hoops and 24-hour delays].

            This change was precipitated by a change that allows you to install an app outside the Play Store without the user seeing a scary warning or going through the existing hoops, as required by the Epic Games v. ruling.

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            11 days ago

            Lot of assumptions here, and you know what they say about that. Samsung absolutely has a wait timer to unlock bootloader, especially from Verizon or T-Mobile.

            Don’t put words in my mouth

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              You’re right, you are making a lot of assumptions. No one said anything about bootloader. This change doesn’t change bootloader. This change is about apk installation. Reading the many available articles regarding this change helps in understanding it.

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                My man, I brought up bootloader, I was talking about it, if you didn’t get that that’s on you. Conversations don’t just stick to the one thing you want, typically it’s a group effort, but don’t worry in the future I’ll take it slow just for you

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                  Don’t assume I’m your man lol. It seems you’re responding to the wrong thread, as no one mentioned bootloaders before your comment from an hour ago. Maybe you are, in fact, attempting to fabricate a conversation out of thin air. You lonely? If so, I’d be more than happy to have a genuine, respectful conversation with you, but none of this bullshit.

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                    Once again, it doesn’t matter if “noone mentioned it” I mentioned it, since it’s time delayed lock is relevant, my man you really need to take a chill pill

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      What if we locked up Google’s store behind some obscure tech menu and make them wait a day? Then everyone would just use the built-in option, right? … In what other industry would you say this is reasonable? How about waiting a day to buy groceries, or water, or gas for your car? … Doesn’t make sense, does it.

      And why believe Google at all? A day now, but why not a week later. There’s nothing stopping them from altering the deal. You, my friend, are in Lando’s shoes. And you don’t quite realize it yet. Tell you what, you’re not allowed to reply for 24 hours. Go think about it.

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        I don’t even believe them, but until that update is actually released, the announcement is just the information we have for now.

        Tell you what, you’re not allowed to reply for 24 hours. Go think about it.

        Imho a better comparison would be not being allowed to post within the first 24 hours after signing up. Sure it would be annoying once, but not much of a deal in the long term.

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          Imho a better comparison would be not being allowed to post within the first 24 hours after signing up. Sure it would be annoying once, but not much of a deal in the long term.

          The annoyance for more tech-savvy people is not the point, the issue is that it’s blatant railroading.

          If a casual user needs to use, let’s say, a browser, they’re completely oblivious to the difference between them, and you tell them “you can choose between Edge or Firefox, but for Firefox you’ll have to wait 24h” it’s logical that they’ll pick Edge. Then they’ll get used to it and never switch.

          It’s hindering the competition, basically market manipulation.

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      Today I can just give a store like droid store permissions… In future it will require 24h… Or ot install with adb… This is a big step backwards.

      That said I’ve concluded the phone is now a device for accessing approved things… For things I own its Linux PC/laptop/mini laptop acting like a table… I guess my supernote reader is an android 8 device but its more limited use cases and they are going back to Linux too…

      The phone is work access, bank access, and a browser… I wish this didn’t need to be a semi dedicated device but here we are.