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I think he’s suggesting you die
Yeah, because if you can’t afford to live, then you certainly can’t afford to move to another country.
Not sure if this is a jest, but it isn’t true.
People move to other countries sometimes with little more than the clothes on their backs - just look at historical immigration to the US.
If you have the luxury of doing it the proper way - getting a job offer, a place to live, etc - then that’s perfect, but desperate people will do desperate things to survive.
I may be misunderstanding your argument but just to make sure I want to point out that
desperate people will do desperate things to survive
does not run counter to
if you can’t afford to live, then you certainly can’t afford to move to another country
Well… ok… I guess if we are going to die by the millions then we should… I dont know… die doing something… what ever that is…
For context, he was speaking about living in expensive metropolitan cities, suggesting people move into less expensive places within the US, like the interior states. Ben says enough stupid shit to mock without isolating a quote from context to make it seem like he said/meant something else entirely.
Hell, there’s plenty to push back on with this quote and argument even understanding what he actually meant. “Just move somewhere cheaper”. Like that’s a much easier thing to say than do.
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If you’re unable to afford living where you are, then you’re probably going to struggle to afford the costs of moving. Then there’s the logistics of finding work and housing wherever you move to from another state. If you don’t have money to coast on for temporary housing, gas and food, you either need a company willing to hire you and provide you assistance to move or a personal connection in the area that’ll let you crash on their couch.
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Your field of work may just not exist in Guthrie, Oklahoma, or wherever. Leaving metro areas may mean changing careers. And those careers may not pay anywhere near as much either. Your costs may go down, but your wages might go with it.
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Leaving your home city means leaving all of your support structures. Your parents, siblings, friends, peers, etc. Some people may really depend on those. Or maybe someone depends on you specifically. Maybe your mom isn’t healthy? Maybe you have a sister dealing with addiction? Maybe they need your presence to ensure their care.
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There are political, legal, and health considerations in changing states. Do you have an active sex life and don’t want to be afraid that you’ll die from an unaborted ectopic pregnancy? Have a trans child? Are you not white? Then you may be more limited in suitable places to live outside of metropolitan city.
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This sidesteps the actual problem here, the why of it all. Why they can’t afford to live in the city they grew up in. Why is pay so bad? Why is housing so expensive? Why are groceries so expensive? But no, no. We can’t question or address those things. That’s just business baby. Free market capitalism at work. Let it ride, unregulated. Just move your ass out of the way to Hastings, Nebraska or some shit.
Your comment is exactly why they say this type of thing and why it always works for them: they spit out a curt catchphrase/gotcha/“just asking questions” and to even begin to address the absurdity of it you need a bulleted list of all the ways it’s wrong. By then, even the non-red pilled person has moved on and lost interest before reading a rebuttal, but they remember the original talking point. It’s worked far too well for far too long.
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Emigrate to, immigrate from.
edit: I’m still confused but probably wrong here.
You got that backwards.
Do I ? Emigrating is going away, immigrating is coming in, right?
So in other words emigrating from (going away from) and immigrating to (coming in to), i.e. your initial comment is backwards.
You got it right this time, but not in the original comment.
Were you stoned when you typed it? Are you still stoned?
English isn’t my first language, but can you even fix the prepositions to the verbs like that. Wouldn’t you have to define your frame of reference? I’d say it shifts with your perspective.
Example: I’m in Homeyland and there are migrants, who are emigrating from the Faraway Islands and immigrating to Homeyland.
When I’m in the Faraway Islands, I’d say the same people are emigrating to Homeyland. While Homeylanders coming here are immigrating from Homeyland.
